9.29.2005

We go to war and I ain't making a dime



I wasn't going to speak on this, but last night I felt an irresistible urge to do so. And what is FreeDarko about, if not the moral sancitity of irresistible urges?

I have no problem with Bill Simmons. FreeDarko has no problem with Bill Simmons. We've made it quite clear that we think he's fallen the fuck off, but I don't think there's anyone in our central chamber who wouldn't count him as a major influence, if not the influence, on their attempts to write about sports. And it's not just a style or attitude thing, either; so much of what I bother reading online more or less owes its soul and structure to that ingenious Page 2 genre that he more or less invented. Wiley was working at it, but Simmons brought it all together. I may be twenty thousand-times more capable of having a conversation with Ian than the dishearteningly fratty, semi-corny Sports Guy, but I'm not going to front like the single most side-splitting thing to ever lay its tables out on the blogosphere would be with us here today were it not for Simmons.



That said, I'm more than a little steamed about some of what he said in the second part of his fatuously epic email exchange with Klosterman, published yesterday (seems so right to call him "Simmons," so wrong to say just "Klosterman." I think it's a sports thing, not a matter of reputation). As our readers know, we've had some fairly legit beef with SG (BS is both unnecessarily insulting, monstrously unsubtle, and could be talking about me) in the past. And while I don't actually for a second think that we're a real media outlet, or worth ESPN's attention any more than a fly on the other side of the bedroom is, this is just too conspicuous. If nothing else, it's too good a stunt to pass up.

I'm sure most of you have seen the thing by now, but here are the salient passages reborn. Because you can probably imagine the feelings stewing inside of me, I'll keep my reactions brief:

Klosterman: I constantly see all these media blogs that just link to conventional "Old Media" articles and pretend to comment upon them, but they add no information and no ideas. They just write, "Oh, look at this terribly archaic New York Times story. Isn't it pathetic?" But that sentiment is being expressed by someone who's never done an interview and has no tangible relationship to journalism. It all seems kind of uncreative. My favorite blog was always chaunceybillups.blogspot.com, but I think the dude who wrote it went on some kind of sabbatical.

As THC pointed out, who the fuck do these people think we bloggers are? I'm not one to claim solidarity with the great, unwashed masses of amateur scribes out there, so for me, the only blogs that exist are intelligent diversions written by people that have a lot of shit going on besides this odd new form of self-assertion. Certainly FreeDarko isn't real journalism, but almost all of us have worked in the field. And while I don't see any bloggers getting a column in a Knight-Ridder paper anytime soon, certainly most of the content churned out by them could go toe-to-toe with whatever alternative weeklies are trying to pawn off on you these days (or Page 2, for that matter).

Most egregiously, and the reason why we're taking this personally: a Billups shout-out, but no love for FreeDarko? Don't get me wrong: Billups is the godfather of this nuevo hoops blogging, and if it weren't for him hooking us up with a link early on, probably none of you would have ever read this. But on the real, he's been "on sabbatical" forever. I like to think we've done something to fill the massive void he's left; at the very least, we do a convincing impersonation of him on a semi-regular basis.



Not that I'm expecting Simmons to stick up for us (he knows FreeDarko, trust me), but giving some credit to a quality sports blog that's active would have been nice. It's like they're making an exception that proves their point further.

Speaking of Simmons. . .

Simmons: I liked your point about New Media. Everyone keeps talking about the Blog Revolution, but what does that even mean? If you were in film school and wanted to make movies for a living, would you create a movie from scratch, or would you just make documentaries about other filmmakers and how much they stunk? You'd make the movie from scratch, right? Well, what's the point of writing about people who write about sports/movies/politics/music if you're not backing up your words with your own columns or features? How do you have credibility then? I could write for a living, I just choose to rip everyone else. What? How does that make sense? What's the ultimate goal there? Why not come up with your own material, angles and thoughts? Wouldn't that be more rewarding? How do you get better? That's what I don't understand.

Again, these things aren't our lives. We do other shit. We write credible stuff. This is just an easy way to get out material that, let's face it, mainstream media doesn't really understand or acknowledge that there's an audience for, partially because it's relatively small, partially because its constituency is elusive to all but itself. This is zines without the leaden cliche, DIY without the preoccupation and narcissism.

And then, the kicker:

I'm not killing all blogs here -- some of them are useful because they find me stories that I couldn't find on my own, and some of their comments or features make me laugh and think. When the goal is to keep everyone on their toes, have some fun, provide an alternate take on things and remain at least somewhat objective, that's great. If you're using a blog to constantly ream everyone else, that's depressing. Also, how can we have so many libels/slander laws in place for newspapers, and yet the Internet is like the Wild West? People can steal material, slander people, rip them to shreds, make up news ... I mean, you can get away with anything now. Do you know how many times an NBA Web site reported having sources that confirmed some trade that ended up never happening? It was embarrassing. I could go on about this forever.

So, as the Recluse put it: he'll shit on blogs and steal from them, without upholding the universally implicit code of credit where credit's due, but he's deeply disturbed that people talk shit about him.



(Making up news, though, we'll never do. . . lord knows the "official" rumor mill does enough of that anyway.)

This is where the venom flows from deep within me. His intern stole our shit. We know people are watching. He's gotten emails. I sent some shit to the ombudsman. I don't think we deserve a mention over Billups, or that this whole section is a thinly veiled attack on FreeDarko specifically. But seriously, if we're a highly visible example of something that clearly plays a role in his professional/emotional life, why not at least a Daily Link?



Simmons: Last question: On a scale of 1 to 10, how badly do you think we'll be skewered on message boards and snarky blogs for what just transpired over the past 7,300 words?

Here's hoping this is our "How to Rob," not a ball-blogging "Dear El-Pee."

47 Comments:

At 9/29/2005 12:11 PM, Blogger Bethlehem Shoals said...

proof that i didn't go completely and totally over the top with this: i stopped short of seriously proposing the slogan "Free FreeDarko!"

 
At 9/29/2005 12:14 PM, Blogger zlm said...

Just so people know, the man behind chaunceybillups.blogspot.com now is a writer for the Fader magazine.

 
At 9/29/2005 12:28 PM, Blogger Bethlehem Shoals said...

thc says he also writes for spin, which might explain the klosterman connection. like maybe klosterman doesn't actually know shit about blogs or basketball, he just found out about billups through professional proximity

this sounds like we're trying to "out" him as a real person

 
At 9/29/2005 12:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good for him. I remember, i found his site through the lead singer for the Dismemberment Plan's (Travis Morrison) website. I really had no experience with blogs such as this before then. It took awhile to adapt to the whole blog concept, but it really works for what it is. If i want facts or predictions/analysis from "experts" i'll go to espn.com. However, it's nice to get insight from a different source. This new media isn't going anywhere. It's only going to get more refined and help enhance the standards such as espn.com. Simmons/the intern can't ignore this forever. He has seen that new media and blogs such as billups and this could make him obsolete among diehard sport fans. He's no longer the only one making quirky, culture references in sports articles anymore. He's not the only one talking about other subjects completely unrelated anymore. He's afraid of the new media revolution and he's trying to cover his tracks. Quickly try to discredit blogs such as this before people get wise and question him. It'll be interested to see how this all turns out.

 
At 9/29/2005 12:39 PM, Blogger Ken said...

In my opinion this site is in the rare 2% of blogs that don't suck cock. Most blogs are terrible.

 
At 9/29/2005 12:41 PM, Blogger Brown Recluse, Esq. said...

it's pretty obvious from reading the simmons/klosterman exchange that simmons is spooked by blogs. wasn't the boston sports guy site essentially a blog when he started it? i know it predated blogger templates and stuff, but wasn't it just a personal site he wrote for?

i wonder how much of it is just simmons getting old. he's got a kid now, so it'd kind of pathetic for sports and pop culture to remain as central to his being as they were when he was just out of college.

for a guy who relies so much on pop culture in his writing, he's got to be afraid of getting out of touch. it's not like his taste in music was great in the 80's, but it's kind of painful to watch him try to sound hip by mentioning the bravery or 50 cent now.

 
At 9/29/2005 12:42 PM, Blogger Bethlehem Shoals said...

that's what i was alluding to with the "unwashed masses" line. but why would simmons even waste his time reading the lower form of bloggetry? if someone who's not fully invested in the "blog revolution" looks at them at all, he's going to look at the ones that come close to some sort of credibility. unless he's so clueless that he can't even find the good ones.

 
At 9/29/2005 12:42 PM, Blogger Brown Recluse, Esq. said...

i think ken just provided us with another freedarko t-shirt slogan:

one of the 2% of blogs that doesn't suck cock.

seriously, would anyone buy a freedarko t-shirt?

 
At 9/29/2005 12:43 PM, Blogger Bethlehem Shoals said...

i worry that i'm losing my edge. . . it took me a long time to decide that shyne was still the best rapper to use an image of in this post.

 
At 9/29/2005 12:45 PM, Blogger Bethlehem Shoals said...

no freedarko fan should want to wear a shirt that had either the word "blog" on it or a ".com" affixed to it. i mean, i'd like them to for exposure's sake, but i can't be a hypocrite about it.

though i did have a knittingfactory.com tee back in high school. i think it was a gift. from a girl, no less.

 
At 9/29/2005 12:49 PM, Blogger Dr. Lawyer IndianChief said...

Zach Dead,

I saw you make t-shirts, can we do this? Here are some possible FreeDarko t-shirt ideas:

"STOP SNITCHING" (imposed on Carmelo)
"SKITA TIME" (imposed on Tskitishvili)
"JAILBLAZER" (imposed on Przybilla)
"FREE DARKO" (obvious)

 
At 9/29/2005 12:51 PM, Blogger Alonzo said...

This whole journalist/blogger battle is just hilarious to me. Most writers are so non-confrontational, it's just laughable. But, you're exactly right, BS, all the bloggers I know have jobs and some background in writing. And if you're a decent enough writer and pay attention to pop culture, it's not that hard to sound like Simmons. I guess what's impressive is that he does it for 18,000 words every few days.

But as a full-time journalist and part-time blogger, I really don't see any point to the beef between the two. Does Simmons and the like really expect bloggers to get interviews and whatnot and go through all the shady publicists in our free time? The truth is, nobody's paying me to do this, so I'm not gonna get bent out of shape. That's what my 9 to 5 is for. And if I were to write "real" articles about "real" events I attend, I'd probably lose my job and/or credibility. It's easy for people like Klosterman and Simmons to hate because they're getting paid to write about whatever they want at this point. That's a luxury that virtually NOBODY in the world has. Some humility wouldn't hurt.

All respect due to C-Bills.

 
At 9/29/2005 12:58 PM, Blogger Ken said...

I saw a pic of Richard Jefferson's wife today, and his days of wearing turtlenecks while eating scrambled eggs with white girls are over.

 
At 9/29/2005 1:00 PM, Blogger Ken said...

I would wear a Free Darko shirt if it had a picture of him on the bench and it said Free Darko! as long as no outsider would know the shirt had an internet connection.

 
At 9/29/2005 1:01 PM, Blogger Salford said...

I second Ken's comment

 
At 9/29/2005 1:08 PM, Blogger Brown Recluse, Esq. said...

holden, does that mean you'd wear an FD shirt, or you also think richard jefferson's days of wearing turtlenecks while eating scrambled eggs with white girls are over.

that's a hilarious image, by the way. no more hanging out with wilmer valderrama for rj, either.

 
At 9/29/2005 1:11 PM, Blogger Dr. Lawyer IndianChief said...

on a vaguely espn-related note, jason whitlock (who, yes, we know played O LINE with Jeff George in high school) mentions George ENTIRELY TOO MUCH. strange.

 
At 9/29/2005 1:19 PM, Blogger El Huracan Andreo said...

I'll never forget that one of the first days I ever watch Sportscenter, they covered Jeff George's hold out from Colts Training Camp.

Man was wearing leather pants, or some extremely tight jeans.

Image has always stuck with me. Maybe Jason has Whit(unlocked) those pant buttons before.

Hardy har har.

 
At 9/29/2005 1:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

im in for a SKITA TIME shirt, and also a BOX OUT baby T for my wife with madsen dancing.

 
At 9/29/2005 1:31 PM, Blogger emynd said...

Blog haterade is fueled by the fact that there's (a) legitimately a whole lot of crap out there and (b) these stupid writers just feel threatened by these "unprofessional" writers. It's silly.

Basically, these guys make a living on "blogging" (Bill Simmons column is nothing if not a fucking blog) and Klosterman's work parallels the aesthetic of "the blog" almost to a T. It's fucking pathetic that these guys are so engulfed with themselves that they can't take a step back and realize what the eff they're hating on. They're basically just annoyed that they're being forced to step their game up by a bunch of motherfuckers that don't even get paid to write (i.e. are "unprofessional"). Fuck those dudes.

-e

 
At 9/29/2005 1:31 PM, Blogger Salford said...

I would most certainly wear an FD shirt; being a Detroit boy I want to give homage to our underutilized savior in any way possible.

 
At 9/29/2005 2:08 PM, Blogger Ian said...

Respek. I've been a huge fan of FreeDarko for a long time, and I'm glad to see a shout-out. I take a similar stance on Simmons; my blog wouldn't exist without him, but we've reached a point where he's pretty much unnecessary, like Gorby, subsumed by the revolution he helped start. Thanks to blogs like yours, Straight Bangin, MgoBlog, EDSBS and countless others, we don't have to tolerate hopelessly out-of-date and out-of-touch pop-culture references so we can read mainstream sports writing that's funnier than that of Rick Reilly.

That being said, I'm not gonna lie: I was mad heated that the CFB/rap thing never made Links of the Day, while anything involving Steve Gutenberg was a shoo-in. There was a point where I'd gotten 25,000 hits a day and I'm a law student based out of Georgia. Knowing that the intern is also a law student at a (worse) Georgia law school, you think he wouldn't have come across it. Then again, Simba doesn't know jack about CFB (he's the SPORTS Guy, right?) or rap, so I understand.

Anyways, CK mops the floor with this guy on both music and sports, so I doubt we'll be seeing too many more of those tete-a-tetes.

 
At 9/29/2005 2:09 PM, Blogger Ian said...

And by the way, I was actually in a fraternity (albeit at a southern school), and I'll tell you this: Simba is in no way a frat guy.

 
At 9/29/2005 2:23 PM, Blogger Dr. Lawyer IndianChief said...

"Simba" might be the funniest thing ever.

 
At 9/29/2005 3:23 PM, Blogger Bethlehem Shoals said...

where is this rj's wife pic? i've been in class and haven't gotten to make the rounds yet today.

 
At 9/29/2005 4:19 PM, Blogger zlm said...

I'll try to tinker around with some ideas.

"imposed" -- like, the slogan over the face of the player mentioned?

"STOP SNITCHING" (imposed on Carmelo)
"SKITA TIME" (imposed on Tskitishvili)
"JAILBLAZER" (imposed on Przybilla)
"FREE DARKO" (obvious)

yesterday, i was trying to create a Dwight Howard design for a black tee. He's going to be the 2007-2008 AmareBeast. I can feel it.

 
At 9/29/2005 4:27 PM, Blogger Ken said...

Dwight had his own design I saw it on Sportscenter, it was the Jerry West logo with a cross on it.

I can't do a direct link because I'm at work and things are blocked but it's on this site if you scroll down far enough.

http://www.yaysports.com/nba/

 
At 9/29/2005 4:30 PM, Blogger Ken said...

I guess she is white though, she looked darker the first time I saw her. I threw that out there because I thought of Chauncey's blog when I saw the picture.

 
At 9/29/2005 4:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow. She's a complete knockout. RJ is a lucky man indeed.

After finally reading the whole bill-chuck email fest, i still like chuck(i was on the fence for awhile). Also, it seems that simmons comes off worse every time he talks with someone(jim rome, rodger lodge, chuck). Chuck's a good guy and i haven't read any of his books, but i have a friend whose opinion i trust who swears by the man.

On a completely unrelated note. Am i the only person furious that nba tv has been running non-stop advertising for league pass for the past couple weeks keeping me from watching classic games and the euro championships? I'm losing it over here.

 
At 9/29/2005 4:44 PM, Blogger El Huracan Andreo said...

http://www.ruggedelegantliving.com/a/images/05.SI.Swim.Couples.jpg

Thats his wife. Apart from the odd boob job, she has dope lips.

 
At 9/29/2005 4:46 PM, Blogger El Huracan Andreo said...

Her name is Teresea Lourenco.

Google her.

 
At 9/29/2005 4:47 PM, Blogger El Huracan Andreo said...

A topless shot

Weird implants for real.

 
At 9/29/2005 4:50 PM, Blogger El Huracan Andreo said...

Proof they're fake

like it was needed.

 
At 9/29/2005 4:50 PM, Blogger Bethlehem Shoals said...

there is absolutely no excuse for an nba player not being to end up a drop-dead gorgeous lady.

which makes the nba source's series of nba wives posts all the more astounding.

 
At 9/29/2005 6:02 PM, Blogger Brown Recluse, Esq. said...

you would think RJ could afford to buy her a better boob job. she needs to get those fixed. they look terrible.

 
At 9/29/2005 6:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

SG's conversation with CK sucked. It was boring, long, and 99% a waste of time. The good thing was that I discovered the ChaunceyBillups blog and subsequently FreeDarko.

With that said, what are you complaining about. If you're going to complain about specific rip offs, then do so. It's not that hard to show it. If you're right, then SG is in the wrong for not linking to you. But otherwise, Bill Simmons and ESPN have no reason to link to you or give you credit. You haven't listed one good reason. I read a ton of blogs and most of them, even the ones that are professional (e.g Defamer), basically rehash what other people have written. The less professional ones are usually much worse.

FreeDarko is a dope site but get off your high horse.

 
At 9/29/2005 7:05 PM, Blogger Bethlehem Shoals said...

we did have a specific rip-off incident (or rather, lack or credit where credit's due) incident with the sports guy earlier this summer. i linked to it in the early going of my rant.

i'm not saying he owes us credit, but they could have at least admitted that some shit goes down on blogs that isn't just links and personal attacks on the best efforts of famous people like himself and klosterman. crap blogs are not the "blog revolution." that is, it's not crappy blogs that pose a threat to traditional media. and since they decided to link to billups, who hasn't posted since feb., why not a freedarko link, too?

and about that high horse thing. . . it's part of who we are. it's just that, in this case, it unfortunately could be taken as utterly, totally serious in intent.

 
At 9/29/2005 8:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd buy a t-shirt (duh). Preferably a stop snitching or FreeD.

When Peja-gate went down months ago I didn't think there was much credence to Shoal's "claim" that Simmons' saw Darko as competition (but it was pretty fucking funny).

But since yesterday afternoon I've totally revised my view. Simmons being bothered by internet criticism would almost be nerdily endearing if it didn't manifest itself in some cheap attack at the blogosphere. That they linked a site that hasn't been updated in months makes me think that, somehow, Shoals was right. I also think there's a lot of truth to what emynd and the Recluse said. Simmons is clearly afraid he’s losing his edge. That he even still tries to work music references into his column is mind-boggling. Then again, he's nothing without the popculture references, so I can understand the dilemma.

But it's still perplexing that someone who's had so much success and inspired so many people could feel threatened by message boards. I felt similarly when David Berman mentioned in that PFork interview that his wife had to put filters on his computer to block all music criticism boards because they were getting to him. How could someone who sees the world so clearly sweat what the retards at hipinion have to say? But Berman's a poet with a history of substance abuse; Simmons writes about football and Johnny Fairplay crapping in a toilet tank. He shouldn't be so sensitive.

I guess the few times I've seen him on tv should have caused me to realize that he's really insecure (what a low-talker), but it's undeniably apparent throughout the kloster-fuck. All the whining about how Klosterman made him feel dumb for liking Coldplay? Are you fucking kidding me? Dude, you're in your mid-30s and you need others to tell you what music you can or can't like?

And he even asked, "Isn't music more subjective [than sports]?" Wait, you mean art is subjective? Stop the presses, Billy.

But that's precisely why FreeDarko shouldn't sweat this shit. Ya'll ARE doing something original. You've made sports--where the point is to crown objective winners through trophies and stats--completely subjective.

 
At 9/29/2005 8:29 PM, Blogger Bethlehem Shoals said...

if someone can figure out how to make that last sentence a little catchier, that's my hands-down nominee for a t-shirt catchphrase

also who would've thought that my aversion to chauvunistic fandom and relative inability to grasp the nuts and bolts of sport would actually result in something "original."

 
At 9/29/2005 11:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I pretty much agree with what Brickowski just said, except I don't think Simmons sees blogs as competition, I think he sees them as fronts to his massive ego. But...I could see a scenario...

Think of the kid in high school who grew up idolizing the athletes, but who couldn't do anything but talk about and write about them. Now, years later, that's what he's good at, but only in one little niche (the pop culture niche). Now, imagine later on, somewhere in his insecure mind (and you've seen him on tv, you can tell he's insecure) he mistakenly believes that blog culture can take everything that he's worked for away from him. Maybe he's right - it's been said, and truthfully, that Simmons doesn't know enough about any one sport or another to be a legit sportswriter without the mess of popculture in his head. It's gotta be hard work to keep up with what the kids are listening to these days. Maybe that accounts for his venom towards the blog culture. Ok, I could see it.

I'm not saying he's not talented at what he does, and that he didn't inspire a lot of people (like me and the other boys at Armchair Hack ~ shameless plug). But I don't like the "you can't play with my toys" mentality.

Incidentally, great blog - I read it daily. Keep up the good work. Put me down for a large FreeDarko t-shirt when they come in. Come check out Armchair Hack - we're slow, but we're plugging away...

 
At 9/30/2005 10:29 AM, Blogger Bethlehem Shoals said...

is he talking about us or rj's girl?

 
At 9/30/2005 4:56 PM, Blogger OG said...

shit AD, that really was shameless. keep up the good work.

in regard to simmons... he's taking a lot of knocks here, and maybe deservedly so on some points, but let's no one forget that the man gets paid in full to do what for most of the people in this dialogue is a half-ass hobby. the disney corp is flying him to superbowls for the ability to navigate the world of tivo and crack jokes about the facial expressions of peyton manning. his book of recycled columns is burning up amazon, and while freedarko is the best independent site i know--and i really fucking dig it--i doubt it gets 1% of the hits sg world does.

and we're sitting here saying he's insecure about us? boobs indeed.

 
At 9/30/2005 5:18 PM, Blogger Dr. Lawyer IndianChief said...

which is precisely our point, OG. he is str8trippin over the punchy taunts of a bunch of nobodies (i.e. you and i). blogging or semi-blogging is his profession, whereas it's just our hobby. therefore the analogy of film students or aspiring filmmakers criticizing films is foolish.

 
At 9/30/2005 6:04 PM, Blogger OG said...

the earlier post shows thc lives in chicago. hell, he's probably my next door neighbor. so how about this:

make that fd tshirt and wear it to espn zone next wednesday, when the sg book tour rolls into chitown. get a book signed, and make sure he sees the shirt, and watch his reaction. my bet is he doesn't bat an eye--i'm not convinced he truly is str8trippin. but if he does take notice (or if you're just feeling ornery) then say something inflamatory. see if you can't push the limits and start a physical altercation.

because you guys need to escalate this beef to make it pay off. we all know that beef gets made to generate pub, and if we are to cease being a bunch of nobodies, then folks need to start making moves.

shit, get me the fd tshirt and i'll go. i want one anyway.

 
At 9/30/2005 7:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, 50 comments. Bill made quite a bit of noise. I think wearing a free darko shirt is a hilarious idea. I have a friend going to college in chicago and he might be going to the simmons thing (even though he's just like me and thought simmons lost his edge a year or so ago). If he does go, i'll tell him to write freedarko on a white tee or at least mention it to him. I link him especially funny/interesting posts and videos from here.

As far as a tshirt, i'd pay for one. I liked all the ideas listed by thc in the beginning of the comment except the jailblazer one. Run a post with shirt designs and have the faithfuls(or just you) figure out a winner.

It's so close that i can almost smell the preseason...

 
At 9/30/2005 7:46 PM, Blogger Dr. Lawyer IndianChief said...

Ozzie G...possible blogger fieldtrip to ESPNZone to see Simmons? that would be some wild shit. on a sidenote, our stats show that most people that checked our site in the past 24 hours were people who were recommended this specific post on a boston sports message board. perhaps not the best time to headline (see above) with sox-bashing.

 
At 10/03/2005 12:13 AM, Blogger OG said...

well shit. i guess i really have to show up to sg's book signing. but no freedarko shirt--i'll be rocking the white sox gear.

 

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