posted by Dr. Lawyer IndianChief @ 4/20/2007 11:41:00 AM 38 comments
man. really? sitting there grasping at the frayed shoelaces of a bygone era? it's this sort of cane-shaking, "remember when?" nostalgia talks that really irk me, in both basketball and rap. Sure, it was great back then, but as this points out, would those same figures even be applicable today? Look at the figures caught in the transition period-- (example: Paul Pierce, KG, etc.), it's disheartening to watch what could have been so great, fail to find any small bit of success. True, the game's done changed in both of the basketball and rap spheres, but looking back at the time you thrived as opposed to embracing the change is doing what you told yourself you would never do ten years ago: getting old. The conclusion which Billups arrives at is the correct one, albeit with much hand-wringing in the process. So yes, it is possible to rock a Drama tape, and enjoy basketball; and yes, some of those old stretch and bobbito shows really do suck now that you listen to them again.
I know this doesnt relate to the post but it is a question I posted on Forum blue and gold and I was wondering if I could get a freedarko perspective. Does Kobe HAVE to get past the Suns this year and is it comparable to the MJ/Pistons rivalry of the early 90s. Kobe has done some amazing things over the past two years but if he pulls a David over Goliath..will this legitimize him as the air apparent, as the best player in the league. I love Kobe as a player but there is a part of me that feels that to really go to the next level in the pantheon of greats he has to get to the second round this year so even if KG or Oneal is traded to the squad next year ..it will be known that Kobe could carry this lakers team by himself..even in the playoffs. Thoughts?
"rap and ball will be intertwined until the league is 80% argentinian"Real rap.
"Billups: Durant =Billups: Picture of Nas next to the Source review of Illmatic"-truest shit ive ever herrrrd-the rapification of yao ming needs to be properly studied: from its early beginnings of being provided stevie franchise mix cds to its now on-court manifestations in the form of swagger, please note:http://youtube.com/watch?v=aUy-A1BQAdIno yao, they cant fucking stop you.Rockets in 5
shawn merrion = chali 2una
One the musical highlights of my youth, first viewing of Hakeem the Dream wrecking shop to Kool Moe Dee's How Ya Like Me Now on NBA Superstars I on VHS. In fact that whole tape made the back of my neck tingle. I'd watch it, then hoop on the driveway for hours.
The problem is that the annoying "back in my day" types are right: Rap was better in the late 80s/90 than it is now. Garbage got through, but not nearly as much, and garbage didn't dominate and elide criticism the way it does now: because of the whole "hater" defense, nobody calls out wackness anymore. I would argue that the quality of basketball was better in the late 80s, but that has a great deal to do with the 6 fewer teams the league carried around. Well, that and the rule changes. To me, basketball was more fun to watch in the "golden age" because the best defense was so damn rough--I happen to like physical defense, so that shit was right up my alley. The reason the mid 90s Knicks (and 00s Spurs) were so terrible to watch had more to do with their offense than with their defense.There are a number of things to like about current rap and current ball, but it aint the same.
whatever, rap is awesome now. so is tyrus thomas.
Great chat.Rap, ball, and other forms of black culture are a mainstream commodity in the way they weren't back then. So the feeling of emergence that was there in the 80s post-ABA, like damn RunDMC is on MTV and a multi-racial NBA might have a chance at entering mainstream American consciousness, just aint there anymore, because what happened was that corporate white america countered the emergence with bought talent that could do the same job of giving some black flavour without the risk. The product managers have a range of options now - good because there is overall more hiphop going on and we don't want to go back to Go West in the stadium (please!), not good if you're wanting every expression of rap/ball to be authentic. The whole shit's just more diffuse.And the funny thing is no matter how it's all painted, the game is still too black for middle america.http://sportsmediawatch.blogspot.com/2007/03/was-nba-too-black-for-nbc.html
I'm actually gonna take the minority opinion here. Both Rap and Basketball are better now than they were. When you look at rap guys are going on 2-3 yr runs where they are putting out mixtapes and albums non stop. Sure the percentage of good music to bad has dipped... but there is more quality music out there.For the NBA I would say that a lot of the talk of the golden era being amazing is fueled by the fact that the major basketball centers LA, NY, Chi, and Bos are all in down periods so it's not "Golden Era" when a toronto team that most people didn't know about at the start of the season starts kickin ass. When basketball started letting highschoolers and euros into the league it took a hit. Now it's a few years later and the euros know the game and are balling, and the highschoolers have found their rythm and we're back to business as usual.The NBA is at least a stronger league than it was in the Jordan era.
The state of the NBA. Real talk.
"When you look at rap guys are going on 2-3 yr runs where they are putting out mixtapes and albums non stop."That's a big part of the problem: people just put out any old garbage to see what sticks, as opposed to taking time to craft quality material. Who in recent years, aside from Ghostface, has put out anything back to back that's worth half a shit? Plus, these mixtapes are sloppy: disjointed; recylcled or 2nd tier beats.
Billups: rap and ball will be intertwined until the league is 80% argentinianThe most interesting rap is coming from Africa, and I think in 20 years the bulk of the L will as well.
I tried to read this at work but it was too long; then, I respun it at home in text size large. I'm glad I did. What needs to be posted is Rosie O'D from DTRT with the Ice Cube. Christian Laettner is so street. If only he had played for the Jazz instead of Danny Schayes. P.S. T-Mac is like Tim Dogg. Jazz in 6.
"Both Rap and Basketball are better now than they were."I doubt that. The most popular rapper today is white a Canadian team in the playoffs. These are signs of the end of times.
The best rapper was white for about 5 minutes... cuz if your talking about eminem he's just about retired and if you're talking about paul wall i'm not even gonna bother responding. The Raptors in the Playoffs is what's up... If you don't like it tell isiah to get his team on point... then go holla at celtics and sixers and other leastern conference squads and tell them to step their games up. Raptors are the Truth right now.
If the proliferation of sketchy, "hood"-looking tattoos of distended , wierdly muscled cartoon hoopsters and classy script stating one own's name is any idicator, basketball is wayyy more rap now. Also, the chest-thumping, post-dunk arm raising and general "Whhhaaaaat! Bitch!" posturing had a gangster feel to it, don't you think? Nothing ever sounds as good to me as the first two BDP records and nothing will ever excite me like Dominique did, but that's just a feature of being old. Objectively, "Move the Crowd" is a bit boring and nobody has ever dunked like VC. I get steamed when I hear Richard Jefferson state unequivocally that Carter is better than anyone before him. But my peevishness is pure nostalgia.
" Raptors are the Truth right now."The Raptors ain't shit. Besides, "The Truth" didn't even make the playoffs this year.
if by "raptors aint shit", you mean you dont know shit and probably havent seen them play then i completely agree
anon hatin'!holla
"Billups: there are no more jesters dude"Killa keeps the computer computin'/jesters jestin'
"if by 'raptors aint shit', you mean you dont know shit and probably havent seen them play then i completely agree."By saying "The Raptors ain't shit" I meant they're a fluke, they're nothin'. Now, had you said that Toronto's sick, I would've had to agree. After all, just a few years ago, Toronto was the center of the SARS epidemic.
What the fuck does SARS have to do with basketball... a team wins a division and the best thing you can come up with is some lame ass SARS shit.The Raps won a division and have one of the best young points in the league to go along with one of the best young bigs.Way to combine two completely irrelevant and unrelated points just to prove maybe you really don't know shit.
Hahah a team wins a division. Some "division." They're in the ATLANTIC, you idiot. The Harlem Globetrotters could win that division. Even though the Raptors are the only team in that division to be over .500, they still managed to lose to the Nets, a .500 team. You can have your best young bigs and your best young points, because pretty soon they'll be the best young losers.
I'm gonna have to agree. The Raptors are only good because they're in a shitty division, they'll lose to the Nets for sure. Thinking the Raptors actually have a chance against the Nets is stupid. With that kind of mentality, I can see how you wouldn't get the SARS joke.
The Raps have been murking teams since their slow start. The raps are a good team so it's interesting that people who probably don't know shit about the raptors are talking. How many better young points are there in the east than tj ford. How many better young bigs are there than chris bosh? Bargnani has already showed he's gonna be a nice player. I don't know if Bosh is FD but he's a problem on the basketball court.
I'll actually show some mercy on Toronto and say the Nets in 5. As far as your question is concerned, there are 2 young points in the East that are better than T.J. Ford: Sebastian Telfair and Nate Robinson. And I would also like to point out that Dwight Howard is better than Chris Bosh.
What of Jay, Nelly &c. and their role in team ownership? Or is front office irrelevant to the conversation?
Sebastian "throw your guns in the air" Telfair aka 3rd string pg for a lottery team. Nate Robinson a moderately effective bench player on a lottery team. But i guess they giving you the best chance of winning every night and by winning i mean winning the draft lottery(Oden or Durant?)... you just murked yourself. After how reckless you were talking i shoulda been expecting some weak shit like that.
You asked for young points better than Ford and I gave them to you. I see you didn't even touch the fact that Howard is better than Bosh, smart boy. And with every post, you manage to use the same 2 phrases, over and over: "murked" and "weak shit." Did you pick those 2 up on the mean streets of Ottawa? I bet you yell "Hibachi!" every time you press the "Publish Your Comment" button, too.
Rap and basketball getting better? With songs that talk about chicken noodle soup, lip gloss, and sampling songs from ice cream trucks, I doubt Rap is getting better. Basketball is getting better, but that's only because of the international players. Without this outside influence, basketball would self-destruct at the hands of gun-wielding players American "players."
Bosh > Howard.... and I'm yellig "Ottawa!" every time i press publish. Which is fucked up because i'm not even from/in Ottawa.
I was browsin thru this site and when I saw the Bosh is greater than Howard comment, I knew I had to comment. ARE YOU INSANE? Dwight Howard would DESTROY Chris Bosh.
Bosh - Go-to-guy on a better team, better scorer, better freethrow shooter,and btw he goes to the line more... can creat his own shot, good passer out of a double team.Dwight Howard - Put-back machine..... so like i said beforeBosh > Howard
Dwight Howard has a more superior inside game than Bosh and can get a double-double whenever he wants and could have his way with Bosh. In addition, Howard is a monster rebounder and shot blocker. As far as better teams are concerned, yeah, Toronto has the better record, but Orlando is more talented. I'd take Howard/Milicic over Bosh/Bargnani any day.
i'm just replying to say that i have "we don't play" on mp3. 192k at that. and, even if it wasn't mentioned -- i got my part of town, too.
oh, how fondly i can recall my summers in Illtown in the early 90's, each night being serenaded to sleep by the sweet melodies of some "east orange thug and b"... well played, sir.
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man. really? sitting there grasping at the frayed shoelaces of a bygone era? it's this sort of cane-shaking, "remember when?" nostalgia talks that really irk me, in both basketball and rap. Sure, it was great back then, but as this points out, would those same figures even be applicable today? Look at the figures caught in the transition period-- (example: Paul Pierce, KG, etc.), it's disheartening to watch what could have been so great, fail to find any small bit of success. True, the game's done changed in both of the basketball and rap spheres, but looking back at the time you thrived as opposed to embracing the change is doing what you told yourself you would never do ten years ago: getting old. The conclusion which Billups arrives at is the correct one, albeit with much hand-wringing in the process. So yes, it is possible to rock a Drama tape, and enjoy basketball; and yes, some of those old stretch and bobbito shows really do suck now that you listen to them again.
I know this doesnt relate to the post but it is a question I posted on Forum blue and gold and I was wondering if I could get a freedarko perspective. Does Kobe HAVE to get past the Suns this year and is it comparable to the MJ/Pistons rivalry of the early 90s. Kobe has done some amazing things over the past two years but if he pulls a David over Goliath..will this legitimize him as the air apparent, as the best player in the league. I love Kobe as a player but there is a part of me that feels that to really go to the next level in the pantheon of greats he has to get to the second round this year so even if KG or Oneal is traded to the squad next year ..it will be known that Kobe could carry this lakers team by himself..even in the playoffs. Thoughts?
"rap and ball will be intertwined until the league is 80% argentinian"
Real rap.
"Billups: Durant =
Billups: Picture of Nas next to the Source review of Illmatic"
-truest shit ive ever herrrrd
-the rapification of yao ming needs to be properly studied: from its early beginnings of being provided stevie franchise mix cds to its now on-court manifestations in the form of swagger, please note:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aUy-A1BQAdI
no yao, they cant fucking stop you.
Rockets in 5
shawn merrion = chali 2una
One the musical highlights of my youth, first viewing of Hakeem the Dream wrecking shop to Kool Moe Dee's How Ya Like Me Now on NBA Superstars I on VHS. In fact that whole tape made the back of my neck tingle. I'd watch it, then hoop on the driveway for hours.
The problem is that the annoying "back in my day" types are right: Rap was better in the late 80s/90 than it is now. Garbage got through, but not nearly as much, and garbage didn't dominate and elide criticism the way it does now: because of the whole "hater" defense, nobody calls out wackness anymore.
I would argue that the quality of basketball was better in the late 80s, but that has a great deal to do with the 6 fewer teams the league carried around. Well, that and the rule changes.
To me, basketball was more fun to watch in the "golden age" because the best defense was so damn rough--I happen to like physical defense, so that shit was right up my alley. The reason the mid 90s Knicks (and 00s Spurs) were so terrible to watch had more to do with their offense than with their defense.
There are a number of things to like about current rap and current ball, but it aint the same.
whatever, rap is awesome now. so is tyrus thomas.
Great chat.
Rap, ball, and other forms of black culture are a mainstream commodity in the way they weren't back then. So the feeling of emergence that was there in the 80s post-ABA, like damn RunDMC is on MTV and a multi-racial NBA might have a chance at entering mainstream American consciousness, just aint there anymore, because what happened was that corporate white america countered the emergence with bought talent that could do the same job of giving some black flavour without the risk. The product managers have a range of options now - good because there is overall more hiphop going on and we don't want to go back to Go West in the stadium (please!), not good if you're wanting every expression of rap/ball to be authentic. The whole shit's just more diffuse.
And the funny thing is no matter how it's all painted, the game is still too black for middle america.
http://sportsmediawatch.blogspot.com/2007/03/was-nba-too-black-for-nbc.html
I'm actually gonna take the minority opinion here. Both Rap and Basketball are better now than they were.
When you look at rap guys are going on 2-3 yr runs where they are putting out mixtapes and albums non stop. Sure the percentage of good music to bad has dipped... but there is more quality music out there.
For the NBA I would say that a lot of the talk of the golden era being amazing is fueled by the fact that the major basketball centers LA, NY, Chi, and Bos are all in down periods so it's not "Golden Era" when a toronto team that most people didn't know about at the start of the season starts kickin ass. When basketball started letting highschoolers and euros into the league it took a hit. Now it's a few years later and the euros know the game and are balling, and the highschoolers have found their rythm and we're back to business as usual.
The NBA is at least a stronger league than it was in the Jordan era.
The state of the NBA. Real talk.
"When you look at rap guys are going on 2-3 yr runs where they are putting out mixtapes and albums non stop."
That's a big part of the problem: people just put out any old garbage to see what sticks, as opposed to taking time to craft quality material. Who in recent years, aside from Ghostface, has put out anything back to back that's worth half a shit?
Plus, these mixtapes are sloppy: disjointed; recylcled or 2nd tier beats.
Billups: rap and ball will be intertwined until the league is 80% argentinian
The most interesting rap is coming from Africa, and I think in 20 years the bulk of the L will as well.
I tried to read this at work but it was too long; then, I respun it at home in text size large. I'm glad I did. What needs to be posted is Rosie O'D from DTRT with the Ice Cube. Christian Laettner is so street. If only he had played for the Jazz instead of Danny Schayes. P.S. T-Mac is like Tim Dogg. Jazz in 6.
"Both Rap and Basketball are better now than they were."
I doubt that. The most popular rapper today is white a Canadian team in the playoffs. These are signs of the end of times.
The best rapper was white for about 5 minutes... cuz if your talking about eminem he's just about retired and if you're talking about paul wall i'm not even gonna bother responding.
The Raptors in the Playoffs is what's up... If you don't like it tell isiah to get his team on point... then go holla at celtics and sixers and other leastern conference squads and tell them to step their games up. Raptors are the Truth right now.
If the proliferation of sketchy, "hood"-looking tattoos of distended , wierdly muscled cartoon hoopsters and classy script stating one own's name is any idicator, basketball is wayyy more rap now. Also, the chest-thumping, post-dunk arm raising and general "Whhhaaaaat! Bitch!" posturing had a gangster feel to it, don't you think? Nothing ever sounds as good to me as the first two BDP records and nothing will ever excite me like Dominique did, but that's just a feature of being old. Objectively, "Move the Crowd" is a bit boring and nobody has ever dunked like VC. I get steamed when I hear Richard Jefferson state unequivocally that Carter is better than anyone before him. But my peevishness is pure nostalgia.
" Raptors are the Truth right now."
The Raptors ain't shit. Besides, "The Truth" didn't even make the playoffs this year.
if by "raptors aint shit", you mean you dont know shit and probably havent seen them play then i completely agree
anon hatin'!
holla
"Billups: there are no more jesters dude"
Killa keeps the computer computin'/jesters jestin'
"if by 'raptors aint shit', you mean you dont know shit and probably havent seen them play then i completely agree."
By saying "The Raptors ain't shit" I meant they're a fluke, they're nothin'. Now, had you said that Toronto's sick, I would've had to agree. After all, just a few years ago, Toronto was the center of the SARS epidemic.
What the fuck does SARS have to do with basketball... a team wins a division and the best thing you can come up with is some lame ass SARS shit.
The Raps won a division and have one of the best young points in the league to go along with one of the best young bigs.
Way to combine two completely irrelevant and unrelated points just to prove maybe you really don't know shit.
Hahah a team wins a division. Some "division." They're in the ATLANTIC, you idiot. The Harlem Globetrotters could win that division. Even though the Raptors are the only team in that division to be over .500, they still managed to lose to the Nets, a .500 team. You can have your best young bigs and your best young points, because pretty soon they'll be the best young losers.
I'm gonna have to agree. The Raptors are only good because they're in a shitty division, they'll lose to the Nets for sure. Thinking the Raptors actually have a chance against the Nets is stupid. With that kind of mentality, I can see how you wouldn't get the SARS joke.
The Raps have been murking teams since their slow start. The raps are a good team so it's interesting that people who probably don't know shit about the raptors are talking. How many better young points are there in the east than tj ford. How many better young bigs are there than chris bosh? Bargnani has already showed he's gonna be a nice player. I don't know if Bosh is FD but he's a problem on the basketball court.
I'll actually show some mercy on Toronto and say the Nets in 5. As far as your question is concerned, there are 2 young points in the East that are better than T.J. Ford: Sebastian Telfair and Nate Robinson. And I would also like to point out that Dwight Howard is better than Chris Bosh.
What of Jay, Nelly &c. and their role in team ownership? Or is front office irrelevant to the conversation?
Sebastian "throw your guns in the air" Telfair aka 3rd string pg for a lottery team. Nate Robinson a moderately effective bench player on a lottery team. But i guess they giving you the best chance of winning every night and by winning i mean winning the draft lottery(Oden or Durant?)... you just murked yourself.
After how reckless you were talking i shoulda been expecting some weak shit like that.
You asked for young points better than Ford and I gave them to you. I see you didn't even touch the fact that Howard is better than Bosh, smart boy. And with every post, you manage to use the same 2 phrases, over and over: "murked" and "weak shit." Did you pick those 2 up on the mean streets of Ottawa? I bet you yell "Hibachi!" every time you press the "Publish Your Comment" button, too.
Rap and basketball getting better? With songs that talk about chicken noodle soup, lip gloss, and sampling songs from ice cream trucks, I doubt Rap is getting better. Basketball is getting better, but that's only because of the international players. Without this outside influence, basketball would self-destruct at the hands of gun-wielding players American "players."
Bosh > Howard.... and I'm yellig "Ottawa!" every time i press publish. Which is fucked up because i'm not even from/in Ottawa.
I was browsin thru this site and when I saw the Bosh is greater than Howard comment, I knew I had to comment. ARE YOU INSANE? Dwight Howard would DESTROY Chris Bosh.
Bosh - Go-to-guy on a better team, better scorer, better freethrow shooter,and btw he goes to the line more... can creat his own shot, good passer out of a double team.
Dwight Howard - Put-back machine..... so like i said before
Bosh > Howard
Dwight Howard has a more superior inside game than Bosh and can get a double-double whenever he wants and could have his way with Bosh. In addition, Howard is a monster rebounder and shot blocker. As far as better teams are concerned, yeah, Toronto has the better record, but Orlando is more talented. I'd take Howard/Milicic over Bosh/Bargnani any day.
i'm just replying to say that i have "we don't play" on mp3. 192k at that. and, even if it wasn't mentioned -- i got my part of town, too.
oh, how fondly i can recall my summers in Illtown in the early 90's, each night being serenaded to sleep by the sweet melodies of some "east orange thug and b"... well played, sir.
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