FreeDrafto, Pt. 84394: On the Banks of Camp America

It's FreeDrafto time. I've been looking over the draft order over and over and didn't bother watching the first half of the game. The Pacific Northwest is now the most FreeDarko place on earth, but to me, the real story is Atlanta getting to keep their pick (and getting Indiana’s), meaning Phoenix doesn’t get to add a stud to their already potent (but aging and over the cap) line-up, and we get to see how Billy Knight manages to fuck up this time. More Lottery analysis to come, but first, Shoals, Billups, and I share our thoughts with you AS THEY HAPPENED.

[DLIC was secluded with a bottle of Randy Foye’s holy water for the duration and emerged after it was all over for a brief cameo.]

Brown Recluse, Esq.: dan patrick shouldn't be allowed to interview 19 year olds
Bethlehem Shoals: so you know what i just realized?
Shoals: seattle, new residence, has a 19% percent chance of landing durant/oden
Shoals: i have a purpose

Shoals: did you ever wonder if they stage the conversations beforehand?
Shoals: like when gerald wallace or felton goes
Shoals: what do they have to say to gm's?
Shoals: or is there some middle ground
Shoals: like "you'll have more to say to this vet than a gm, so stand by him"

Shoals: did you catch those first great billisisisisms?
Shoals: "like a condor and a deer"
Shoals: and "he loves to win, but he also hates to lose"
BR: that one makes sense
Shoals: isn't it given?
Shoals: or rather, who doesn't like to win?
BR: i'm sure lebron loves to win, but he didn't seem to mind losing last night too much
Shoals: everyone is so tired of hurling superlatives at oden and durant
Shoals: you can hear the fatigue in their voice
BR: it's funny how that one chad ford column seems to have made it like a consensus that oden is the clear #1 now
BR: maybe that's because chad ford was the one who created the whole "durant could be #1" thing in the first place

: hi
: so who goes #3?
: i am all about corey brewer
: corey brewer is nice, i hope he goes to the suns
: horford to the bucks at 3
: i actually see the bucks trading their pick
: for jason terry maybe?
: are the bucks allowed to trade with other teams?
: there's not like a quarantine surrounding them?
: only when men with no eyebrows are involved
: again, weird quarantine
: it's stupid to name a team after deer
: they are so pleasant and gentle, even in anger

BR: the best draft lottery moment ever is when jerry krause started convulsing in spasms of joy
: over elton brand, who they later turned into......p.j. brown
: so you guys think oden to memphis?
: 18.8% chance of oden or durant
: i want it like that, need it like that, etc.
: since i had such good luck for the texans and their high draft pick. . .
: i am going to go throw up and pray before this starts.
: be right back
: i take it billups is pulling for phi-town
: yeah, you can take it i'm pulling for philly.
: recluse? chicago i assume
: i guess, i was just talking about how i don't have any team allegiances at all anymore

Billups: CHAD SHINN.
: b. king looks like a wilbon impersonator, like he's a different gender
: pump your brakes on the billy king mockery
: if only for 1 more minute
: isn't bird good luck for the celtics?
: i'm sorry, but i am calling foye "holy war" from now on
: Fred Whitfield was personally responsible for bringing the censored version of The Wire to BET
: wire: in a good or bad way? like he demanded they censor it?
Shoals: you know wilkens is jewish, right?
: lenny??
: yeah
: he's on some sammy davis shit?
: an all or nothing proposition for the hawks, guys
: nique totally has a mojohead
: jerry west does not give a fuck

BR: is that guy okay?
Shoals: he's totally death camp
Billups: this is wild corny, just start from 1. it's not a season-ending cliffhanger of falcon crest
Shoals: this is insanely anti-climactic

[Boston gets the fifth pick.]

Shoals: ha
Billups: ohhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Billups: hahah!
BR: hahaah
Billups: holy shit!
Shoals: did silver just say "wow?"
Billups: DOC'S DA NAME!

[Memphis gets the fourth pick.]

Billups: WOW
Shoals: this is the future
Shoals: there's a game after this?
Shoals: silver is like the thing that lives inside stern's stomach

[Atlanta gets the third pick.]

Shoals: holy shit
Billups: COME ON
Shoals: i get to spend all next year with oden or durant

[Seattle gets the second pick.]

Shoals: the northwest just became the epicenter of the known basketball universe
Shoals: this turned out perfectly. i feel so helpless
BR: they're totally letting rashard lewis go
Shoals: no way.
Shoals: shard + durant=nowhere to run
Shoals: what could be more effective than having two identical players on the floor
Billups: Durant/Aldridge/Zach/Roy/Webster
Shoals: god, aldridge/oden is SCARY
Shoals: like not even basketball scary
Shoals: i am for real stunned right now
Shoals: yet somehow i am the only one talking

: so, atlanta gets to keep that #3??
: Yeah
: AND #11, right?
: they get indiana's pick, too
: that atl pick is hilarious because they STILL need a point guard, right?
: but, conley is not the third best player in the draft
: they'll take conley
: and thaddeus young
: who is more 6'8" than thaddeus young?
: they CANNOT have thaddeus young, josh smith, marvin williams, joe johnson, AND josh childress
: yeah, they’re still going to draft him
: Acie to ATL?

: i'm not even in front of a tv
: i heard portland got #1
: seattle #2
: atlanta #3 (meaning they keep it!)
: new t-shirts
: wait...this shit is nuts
: simmons is crying


At 5/22/2007 10:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


At 5/22/2007 11:00 PM, Blogger Bethlehem Shoals said...

i somehow neglected to mention explicitly that I AM MOVING TO SEATTLE so this makes my life amazing. fuck anyone who says they'll somehow be forced to trade away his rights. like i will seriously kill you.

At 5/22/2007 11:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lowpost.net seems to be working again so we can sort out the Celtics wreckage.

At 5/22/2007 11:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rashard is so gone dude.
Replaced by his clone.

At 5/22/2007 11:04 PM, Blogger Bethlehem Shoals said...

oh also, a little more: no way stern lets that team stay fucked up if they get durant. i guess that, by that same token, he could steer durant away from seattle, but that would be its own kind of scandal. like talk about obvious rigging.

At 5/22/2007 11:07 PM, Anonymous Freddie said...

Simmons is weeping gently into a mojito right now.

At 5/22/2007 11:11 PM, Blogger Nate said...

Don't fuck me up Shoals...But I honestly don't think either of them will end up playing there. I wouldn't be surprised if they are forced to move that pick. Too messed up of a situation. No GM, No coach, No Arena. Seattle is the new Vancouver. No agent in his right mind is going to let a one of kind player go to that.

Big lead kind of touched on this:


At 5/22/2007 11:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Enjoy the rain instead of the smog.

RE: Durant in Seattle. Durant cements the Sonics in Seattle for several years. I really think the Sonics stay put. Not that OKCity doesn't deserve A team, but the Sonics? No. The sad reality is in 5 years Chris Paul will be an all-star in Oklahoma City. There really can't be much debate about that. It is a matter of time.
And Durant may be an all-star in Vegas soon after. :(

At 5/22/2007 11:17 PM, Blogger Nate said...

How many words can we expect from Simmons tomorrow?

At 5/22/2007 11:22 PM, Blogger d.d. tinzeroes said...

Halberstam's Ghost.

At 5/22/2007 11:23 PM, Blogger Ben Q. Rock said...


"Goodbye, cruel world."

At 5/22/2007 11:24 PM, Blogger Ty Keenan said...

You know how Simmons has that running joke that several things never happened, like Rocky V and Caddyshack II. With this, I think he might actually convince himself that it never happened and not discuss it.

On the bright side for Boston fans, this can't possibly be worse than the Duncan year, right?

At 5/22/2007 11:25 PM, Blogger Ben Q. Rock said...

I wonder how the guy with the custom Oden Celtics jersey feels.

At 5/22/2007 11:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ben Q. Rock - He's gonna feel great tomorrow when the picture of him crying is posted on Deadspin, and the relative comedic vultures shuffle to feed.

At 5/22/2007 11:36 PM, Anonymous PANDAmonium said...

Western Conference should just secede from the NBA and have billy hunter as the commisioner

At 5/22/2007 11:36 PM, Blogger Ben Q. Rock said...

I feel terrible for the guy they showed after coming back from commercial, the one with blue eyes and curly blonde hair and his mouth agape. Ouch.

wv: amusdvez. What Fran Vazquez felt after the Darko trade.

At 5/22/2007 11:56 PM, Blogger Stuart said...

First ever post here after lurking for a year. The Buckner picture after the Simmons reference had me laughing out loud. Well played, gents.

wv: ghtupp - what Simmons is saying through gritted teeth to his Dad, who's collapsed on the floor

At 5/23/2007 12:04 AM, Blogger MC Welk said...

Seattle should be sufficiently depressing for you, Shoals. On a tangent, last night I saw the Meat Puppets (from AZ, but grunge). Afterwards I went into the dressing room after the encore to ask Curt if I could ghostwrite his autobiography, and he told me to come back in 5 minutes, surgical tubing tied around his arm.
P.S. I wore flannel and I didn't come back. It's cold here.

At 5/23/2007 1:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So Z-Bo is gonna be traded, and along with that, Z-Bo will trade Darius Miles for a spicy chicken sandwich from Jack in the Box.

But what can Portland get for him BEFORE draft day?

I am ready from the shiz from the 4 of you.

At 5/23/2007 1:21 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Right now, Freedarko should be about anything other than Tim Duncan or Shaquile O'Neil winning a championship.

At 5/23/2007 1:50 AM, Blogger Vinnie said...

Um, Portland should take anything they can get for that oaf. Anything to prevent him from clogging Oden's lane, stealing Roy's shot attempts, and in general stalling all things productive.

At 5/23/2007 1:54 AM, Blogger T. said...

At this point, if I'm portland, I move Z-Bo for 12 NBA synthetic basketballs, and a Chicken sandwich meal from Chick-Fil-A

At 5/23/2007 2:12 AM, Blogger Doug said...

that Chick-Fil-A will get a high premium because we don't have that shizz up here in the PDX.

Rip City's back, bitches. Shit, we never left, just got bad (Bonzi/Sheed bad) and then bad(Theo Ratliff/Webster).

Jack and Randolph on a sign-and-trade Shard and Ridnour. Rid/Roy/Shard/LaMarcus/ODEN. Ruinous power of the Western Conference, 2009. Bulls vs. Blazers II, Electric Boogaloo, 2010 Finals, bitches.

hmdnq: the sound Simmons' soul made while escaping at about 8:52 p.m. EST.

At 5/23/2007 2:13 AM, Blogger Nate said...

Oaf? You don't just give away 23 points and 10 rebounds. Z-Bo has never been a problem on the court. Teams like Chicago, LA, PHX, etc. would DIE to have an interior presence with a post game as developed as his.

At 5/23/2007 2:31 AM, Anonymous JTExperience said...

Did I just hear PHX and Z-Bo in the same sentence? HA.

At 5/23/2007 3:06 AM, Blogger The Electric Zarko said...

Z-Bo is as good as traded. There have been rrrrrrumblings that LA is interested and that Bynum might be on the table.

Which, if it happens, would mean Durant for the Blazers. Which is really what they should do. I mean, yeah, franchise center. On the other hand, they could draft Durant, move Z-Bo for somebody who could run and have some combo of Spanish Chocolate, Jack, Roy, Webster, Outlaw, Durant and Aldrige, plus who they get for Z-bo and minus anybody they'd have to throw in, doing some Warriors shit (although possibly making some free throws and having a decent half-court offense).

At 5/23/2007 3:15 AM, Blogger Brian said...

There's no way Bynum gets traded for a non-PG!

I would love for Z-Bo to go in exchange for just about any collection of expiring contracts!! Chick-Fil-A was a great idea. I bet portland will throw in a few Burgerville and Fred Meyers franchises to boot.

At 5/23/2007 3:22 AM, Blogger T. said...

Oaf? You don't just give away 23 points and 10 rebounds. Z-Bo has never been a problem on the court.

I think that Z-Bo's off courst escapades combined with his possession grinding out game combined . . . I think some team could offer some expiring contracts or some waste-of-money contract (not that the Warriors are the right fit for Z-Bo, but someone like Foyle) and buy Z-Bo for pennies on the dollar.

the PDX can't use him & his presence hinders the development of Aldridge and Oden.

At 5/23/2007 3:37 AM, Blogger The Electric Zarko said...

Brian - which is why when I heard it, Jarret Jack was part of the deal.

I'm not saying that I understand what the reasoning is or that I would do it myself, just that it's a probably-not-remotely-true rumor.

That said, there are probably teams out there that will give P-Town something above crap for Z-Bo.

At 5/23/2007 5:20 AM, Anonymous Atta said...

Are you guys disappointed that we had Brandon Roy representing the Blazers instead of some white dude who probably would have embarrased himself uncontrollably shaking or jumping for joy. Roy looked like he just won some small bet he made with another player. I'm glad i didn't have to see that.

At 5/23/2007 7:23 AM, Blogger Ty Keenan said...

I just looked through pretty much every team on the trade machine, and the only one that could afford to trade a serviceable wing for Randolph would be, go figure, Atlanta. That necessitated adding Speedy's contract to Josh Childress, which would put another not-so-great long term deal on a team that has a ton of them. Otherwise, any Z-Bo deal would probably need to be expiring contracts (with or without picks) or a sign-and-trade.

At first glance, something like Kwame (and maybe the #19) makes a slight bit of sense, as does a Rashard sign-and-trade, although I doubt Seattle would be willing to make that deal with a local divisional rival.

So basically, Pritchard's likely going to have to sell him well under his real value, but they could get some cap relief in the process.

At 5/23/2007 11:26 AM, Blogger Brown Recluse, Esq. said...

odom for z-bo and jack makes a ton of sense for both teams. it would be worth it just to hear announcers try to keep odom and oden straight. odom, aldridge, and oden is a sick front line. you could play roy and martell together in the backcourt, since odom and roy can initiate the offense. plus, that team would be HUGE. 6-5, 6-7, 6-10, 6-11, 7-0.

for the lakers, they get the interior scorer they badly need and the type of big, physical point guard phil jackson loves. and this works in the trade machine.

also, the hawks need to take brewer and young at 3 and 11, that has to happen.

At 5/23/2007 11:43 AM, Blogger stopmikelupica said...

If Zach is on the market - and I don't believe he is, at least not until after the draft, since that would ruin Portland's leaverage, if they for some reason want to trade the #1, even for the #2 (a smart move, since the Sonics could use Oden more than Durant, and Portland could use Durant more than Oden) - a likely interested party would be the Knicks. They have always been mentioned as a possible destination for Randolph, and one of the few teams actually willing to take on a $80 million contract for a player with bad knees that won't make it through his contract.

Believe it or not, the market for Randolph isn't going to be very strong, so yeah - the Knicks might be one of the few teams to make a play for him, and even they won't offer much. Which is why Portland should (and probably will) hold on to Zach until February.

As for building your team to play like the Warriors, Electric Zarko... that's not a good strategy. I doubt any team in the NBA will really go that route right now. That's why Oden will go #1, and Durant #2.

At 5/23/2007 11:59 AM, Blogger E.M. Davis said...

I really dig the Celtics' new post-lottery Logo

At 5/23/2007 12:05 PM, Blogger Brown Recluse, Esq. said...

z-bo to the knicks makes sense since he's overpaid and has a criminal background, but not even isiah is dumb enough to pair him with eddy curry. that makes no sense.

At 5/23/2007 12:17 PM, Blogger Ben Q. Rock said...

Lost in all this Randolph trade talk is a far bigger issue: Fred Jones already wears #20 for the Blazers, so Greg Oden is going to have to pick something different. This question is very pressing to me, and that isn't a hyperbolic statement.

At 5/23/2007 12:33 PM, Blogger Brian said...

Ben Q - What are the chances that Oden actually knows what his jersey number really is?? He seems like the least likely person to care.

Doing some more looking for potential trade partners for Randolph...and I had a thought/question: Can Antwan Jamison play the 3?!?

At 5/23/2007 12:35 PM, Anonymous iverson fan said...

Recluse, you really think the Hawks need Brewer when they already have Marvin, J Smith, and Childress? They gotta take Horford or Yi. Then take a PG at the 11th spot.

At 5/23/2007 12:44 PM, Anonymous padraig said...

how messed up is it that the Hawks' propensity for taking hella 6'8" dudes has become an automatic perennial joke on the level of Matt Millen's lust for wide receivers? the worst part is that they'll STILL wind up doing something crazy like taking Jianlian and another swingman, then wind up with a pick in the top 3 again in next year's draft, aka the Year of the Point Guard, only to be forced to forfeit it to Phoenix and watch as the Suns draft Derrick Rose to replace Steve Nash.

although if they do by some miracle make sane choices like Horford/Wright and Law they're the only Eastern team with a chance to get significantly better based on this draft.

At 5/23/2007 1:06 PM, Anonymous Scott said...

the hawks should take conley at #3 and the best remaining big (noah or hawes or whoever) at 11.

At 5/23/2007 2:03 PM, Blogger stopmikelupica said...

Brown Recluse, which Knick has a "criminal record"?!? What are you talking about?

Check yourself: the Knicks are actually one of the cleaner teams in the league, get it right....

At 5/23/2007 2:14 PM, Anonymous iverson fan said...

Oh I get it. It was a joke.

At 5/23/2007 2:23 PM, Blogger Nate said...

IF the Blazers trade Randolph they are either going to be looking to get another wing or Cap Space and a pick. They might take the cap space and the pick and use the pick to draft a wing.

I'm betting that they go for the cap space, given that they have to eventually extend Roy, Aldridge, Jarret Jack, Sergio Garcia, etc. and already have Darius Miles, his bad knees and his 8-9M per year salary on the books.

Kwame Brown's contract expires at the end of the season. With Randolph/Kwame's Salary off of the books, they are going to have only 43 mil on the books next summer. Which depending on where the salary cap is set for 08/09 will give the Blazers around 10-15 million in salary cap space. Meaning they could sign a star veteran to come in and mesh with that team.

I say that is a win/win situation for both the Lakers and the Blazers.

Another solution would be Randolph to Seattle in a sign and trade for Rashard Lewis (as my boy Matt at the Fanhouse proposed to me a little bit ago). The only problem is that I don't think Seattle wants to pay Zach max numbers for 4 more years.

The Knicks deal is not happening because Curry and Randolph don't compliment one another. As well, Curry is only making 8 mil with 10% raises over the next 5 Years while Randolph is making 13+ per season. Why pay for two of the same guy? Lee compliments Curry really well. And if Channing Frye could ever get his act together, he'd also be a solid compliment.

Zach Randolph's salary through 2011: $13,333,333 $14,666,666 $16,000,000 $17,333,333

At 5/23/2007 2:26 PM, Blogger Nate said...

Oh the Laker deal is Kwame (exp contract) the 19th pick and filler for Z-Bo.

And there is no way I trade Odom for Z-Bo and Jack...

Lakers just need someone inside. They can play anyone next to kobe. I mean, look at PJ's starting PG's from all of his championship years:

John Paxson, BJ Armstrong, Ron Harper, Derek Fisher...

At 5/23/2007 2:49 PM, Blogger Matt said...

Welcome to Seattle, Shoals.

And stop trying to pawn off Randolph to the Sonics! I want to see Ray-ray, Rashard, and Durant, coached by Marc Ivaroni, jacking up 3's.

Somebody chain Robert Swift to a treadmill!

At 5/23/2007 3:01 PM, Blogger stopmikelupica said...

I agree that Zach wouldn't fit in on the Knicks. I'm just pointint out that Isiah has shown interest in him before, is looking for a PF, and the Knicks are not afraid of an $80 million contract or whatever.

So that was my point. Not that the Knicks should go for Randolph.

At 5/23/2007 3:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

not to defend kwame brown or anything . . . but i'm pretty sure kwame would lose total interest in the game if he got sent to portland. with aldridge and oden doesn't he become a relatively beside the point role player? obviously that trade makes loads of cap space for portland and gives the lakers inside presence, but it just spells the total end of kwame brown to me. i know, i know, who cares about kwame brown.

also, i have no idea why the knicks would be looking for a power forward. they need a reliable swingman that doesn't have a problem playing more than forty games in a season and isn't jared jeffries.

At 5/23/2007 3:39 PM, Blogger Ty Keenan said...


I'm sure someone would be willing to take a flyer on him the year after. And then he'd disappoint in that city, too, even if they didn't expect anything.

At 5/23/2007 3:44 PM, Anonymous youshoottoomuch said...

off topic, but the talk of rashard lewis trades made me think of j.o. trade idea i had: rashard lewis, earl watson, and potential filler for j.o. and filler. salaries are close, lewis is irrelavent if portland doesn't take durant, and the pacers could begin rebuilding. imagine allen, durant and o'neal, shoals. although, allen, durant, and lewis jacking up three with iavoroni sounds pretty awesome, too. either way the northwest is about to get way more awesome.

At 5/23/2007 3:45 PM, Blogger Brown Recluse, Esq. said...

SML--just fucking you, dawg. i'm sure if i did some research, i could find a few brushes with the law on the knicks, but i was mostly just yanking your chain. still, i don't think the knicks are one of the cleaner teams in the league.

why would the knicks be looking for a power forward when they have david lee? he gets all the rebounds curry is too lazy to go after has a face up game to complement eddy's (offensive) post dominance. as anon 3:24 said, they need a small forward with some size (who isn't jared jeffries) and a real point guard wouldn't hurt either.

At 5/23/2007 4:10 PM, Blogger salt_bagel said...


If you throw out body types and labels, and just consider the actual roles of the players on Phil's teams, then his starting point guard for all the Bulls years was actually Scottie Pippen. Pax and BJ brought the ball up and distributed maybe 10% of the time.

Point being, you can't say that all those Bulls teams succeeded despite the lack of a traditional point role. Of course, you also can't say they did it without post scoring. It's just that Pippen and Jordan also did that, too.

At 5/23/2007 4:20 PM, Blogger Brown Recluse, Esq. said...

okay, can someone explain how the bucks getting the #6 pick meant that the whole top 5 was about to go crazy? chad ford says: "Once the Bucks got No. 6, just about everyone in the room knew that both the Celtics and Grizzlies had also fallen out of the top three."

how did they know that? is this just basketball intuition or is there some probability shit going on that i am too dumb to understand (yet former jocks can)?

At 5/23/2007 4:27 PM, Anonymous Quarterican said...

the lottery's only for the top 3 spots, so the maximum number of teams that could "jump" ahead of their ranking is 3, which means that memphis could finish anywhere from 1-4, boston from 1-5, and milwaukee from 1-6 (e.g., their ranking + 3 "jumpers"). Since the Bucks got 6, they had to have been pushed down by three jumpers, and since you can't jump into the 4th or 5th spot, that meant boston and memphis had to be out of the top 3.

At 5/23/2007 4:30 PM, Blogger stopmikelupica said...

Brown Recluse - Bucks (who should have been #3) at 6 meant three teams jumped ahead of the worse three teams (Grizzlies, Celts, Bucks).

At 5/23/2007 4:34 PM, Blogger Brown Recluse, Esq. said...

thanks, guys. i didn't realize that's how it worked. who knew latinos were good at math?

note 1: i kid!
note 2: assuming quarterican is at least 1/4 puerto rican.

At 5/23/2007 4:41 PM, Blogger stopmikelupica said...

Oops, Quarterican beat me to the explanation. Extra credit for also being (if my analysis of the moniker is correct) 1/4th Puerto Rican.

Brown Recluse and others: The Knicks are in the market for a PF who can rebound and block shots/provide defensive help. To make up for Curry's defiencies, of course.

In fact, if you check out the Knicks lineup, it's built pretty well around a player they don't have - a Jermaine O'Neal/Pau Gasol type. A guy who will keep the double teams off Curry (and open up the perimeter for Q-Rich, Crawford and Marbury), and be able to back up Curry on defense.

Anyway, that's off topic. No, the Knicks should not be in the market for Randolph, but I would still bet Isiah will inquire and throw out a few offers....

At 5/23/2007 4:42 PM, Anonymous Quarterican said...

who knew latinos were good at math?

Stand and Deliver, you bastard.

assuming quarterican is at least 1/4 puerto rican

Exactly, as a matter of fact. Oh well; back to Celtics induced melancholy.

At 5/23/2007 4:55 PM, Blogger Nate said...

Mr. Bagel:

I understand why the Bulls were able to role with okay point guards for all of those years. My point was that so many people keep saying the Lakers need to trade for a point guard, when really they don't need a top PG to be good. Interior scoring/a second scoring option are more pressing needs. In their PG slot they just need someone that can hit an open three and defend. In January, before the injuries hit the Lakers were fourth in team assists per game. As well, back then George Karl called them the best passing team in the league. Alls I'm saying is that if they got a guy like Randolph and had a line up of Lamar, Randolph, Luke, Kobe, and a decent shooting and defending PG not named Smush Parker, they would be tough to handle.

At 5/23/2007 6:44 PM, Blogger Wild Yams said...

Nate, you think the Lakers would start Randolph at center and Lamar at PF in that hypothetical scenario? Wouldn't it be more likely that it would be Bynum/Mihm at center, Randolph at 4 and Lamar at 3 with Luke off the bench?

I completely agree with your assessment regarding point guard needs for the Lakers though. They don't need a traditional PG, someone who's super fast or who can get 8+ assists a game. They'd be better off with a guy with some size/length who can play good defense and who can hit open shots. I'd even say that the perfect guy to man the PG spot for the Lakers (even though he's 100% not available under any scenario) is Tayshaun Prince. Too bad for the Lakers they drafted Kareem Rush over Prince a few years ago.

At 5/23/2007 7:35 PM, Blogger Nate said...

Yams: If the Lakers acquired Randolph, I think they could switch up the line up based on who they are playing. Randolph can play center against the Suns, Warriors, etc. Against Shaq and Yao he moves over to the PF.

At 5/23/2007 8:02 PM, Blogger Wild Yams said...

I think if the Lakers don't trade Bynum this summer then they have to give him a starting spot next year. He's supposedly got all this upside so I think the Lakers really will need to either sink or swim with him at center. Make the small teams match up with a front line of Bynum, Randolph and Odom if it's there.

At 5/23/2007 10:22 PM, Blogger Nate said...

Well that would work too. Then maybe they sign and trade luke walton for a decent point guard/combo guard? Or maybe you keep Walton and have him as your 6th Man leading the second unit?

If Bynum wants to start he needs to be in the gym working on his lift and his stamina. Bynum's main problem is that he can't get off of the ground and he doesn't have the energy to play more than 25 minutes effectively. He has great footwork, solid fundamentals, and is really long. But he has NO explosion. He is a better than average center without that. But in order to meet the hype that's around him, he needs to develop some explosion and stamina. I mean seriously, have you seen Bynum out there after he's on the floor for 5 straight minutes? He looks totally gassed. The good thing is that he has gotten a lot better from when I saw him at the LA Summer league last July.


At 5/23/2007 10:23 PM, Blogger Nate said...

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At 5/23/2007 11:05 PM, Anonymous Ridnour&Shuttlesworth&Shard&Durant&Wilcox said...

Yams-I completely agree with your assessment of a PG for the Lakers. I would honestly say that a good fit may be Brandon Rush. Guy is an unreal pure shooter, but demonstrated in college that he is not a guy that needs to take a ton of shots in a game. He is (Bilasism alert) a long 6'7", has defended well in college, and can drill the three. (Don't think of his brothers on this one, he is LIGHT YEARS ahead of them). He also showed an ability to hit the big shot in the end of the game, which would make him a nice player for Kobe to kick it to. He was the perfect role player in college and could be on a team like the Lakers. Plus, I think he'll still be available for them in the draft.

God dammit I already have draft fever, bad.

At 5/23/2007 11:27 PM, Blogger Nate said...

Ridnour&Shuttlesworth&Shard&Durant&Wilcox: At this point, I think every NBA fan has draft fever...

Good call on Rush, but I'm really looking at this guy Rodney Stuckey from Eastern Washington. He's a combo guard that would play well next to Kobe. Plus Farmar looks like he'll turn into the BJ/PAX/DFISH type they really need at that position. I've known Farmar his entire life. I'm telling you, he's probably been shooting jump shots since 5AM. Dude is driven to be good.

At 5/23/2007 11:32 PM, Anonymous Ridnour&Shuttlesworth&Shard&Durant&Wilcox said...

Nate- I agree with Stuckey. Actually Stuckey, Rush, or Crittendon wouldn't be bad choices, all guys that are over 6'4" and decent shooters. Stuckey would be a little shaky to me because he is more of a slashing scorer and is used to having all the shots in college.

Agree also on Farmar. The problem here is that all of these guys are probably a year or two out from maximum effectiveness. Do the Lakers have time to wait. Kobe is obviously very Jordan like on the court (needs better players around him though, not nearly as good as Jordan obviously). I think you can still win a title or a conference title with the pedigree, but hes not getting any younger. Do they have time to wait for one of these guys to develop?

At 5/24/2007 2:42 AM, Blogger Nate said...

I think the Kobe is running out of time deal is totally overblown. Unless he has a major injury, Kobe is going to continue to be great. As he get's older, he'll put more weight on and focus more on his post game. The good thing about Kobe is that so many facets of his game are developed. He doesn't really have to lean on his athletic ability because he has the developed post game and outside shot.

On the Stuckey tip, I think he might become the guy everyone looks back on and says: "How did so many teams pass on him?"

Also this kid Bobby Brown is probably going to have a lot of people saying the same things:


At 5/24/2007 2:09 PM, Blogger Wild Yams said...

Nate, what you're saying about Bynum is absolutely correct. He has no stamina or explosion, but I've kinda chalked that up to his extremely limited experience playing organized basketball, considering his senior year of high school he was injured a lot and his rookie year in the NBA he hardly got off the bench. This year he was suddenly called upon to play huge minutes due to the Mihm's and Kwame's injuries and I think he just wasn't physically ready for all that. There's a lot of rumors that the Lakers may trade him in the hopes of getting a fully polished player to win now (per Kobe's request), although the lottery results may make the Lakers want to keep him since they're now in Oden's division.

If the Lakers don't trade Bynum, then I don't think they can afford to squander him in a backup role. Either Bynum or Kwame should be gone come the start of next season with Mihm probably re-signed as the backup to whomever is left. If Bynum's going to stay it should be because he's working hard in the gym this summer so that he can make another large leap next season. If that's not going to happen then the Lakers need to trade him now before his stock plummets.

At 5/27/2007 3:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i'm from portland and i'm terrified of whoever we don't draft becoming the next dominant player in the NBA. i can see scenarios for each player.

god it will be five years before i know.

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