Mold With Friends
Brown Recluse: i am disappointed, but not surprised, to see that san antonio adopted the miami all-white look.
BR: did they ever do that before?
Bethlehem Shoals: the spurs are kind of cocaine. in a contra kind of way
BR: ?
BS: i mean, the white jerseys go well with HATING THEM NOW.
BR: i would LOVE it if hughes somehow won finals mvp.
BR: wouldn't that be the greatest thing ever?
BR: like, everything all of a sudden clicks for hughes at the most opportune time?
BS: why is larry hughes so unsympathetic?
BR: i don't know, everyone seems to think he sucks
BS: a finals mvp would make him sympathetic. have we said he's reptilian?
that might be why no one loves him.
BR: no, only marquis can be reptilian. and dee brown, mk. 1
BS: marquis is lizard-esque. that's different from reptilian
BR: really?
BS: well, lizards are kind of playful and weird and exotic.
BS: reptiles are just cold and frightening.
BS: that sounds like it should be a good thing. if i'm ever a broadcaster. . .
BR: drew gooden: finals mvp
BS: dude, stop it.
BR: hughes or gooden SHOULD be able to win it
BR: the second or third best players on a team should be able to get hot for a series, e.g. james worthy
BS: this goes back to your claim the other day. that the cavs don't suck because at various times in their careers, several of them have been very good
BS: VAREJAO IS THE SECOND BEST CAV
BR: fuck that shit
BR: he's the second best cav like okur is the second best jazz
BS: talking about the cavs is like trying to write a poem about a cube
BR: when tim duncan pulled at his shorts and d'ed up lebron, that was freedarko.
BR: that was swag.
BS: pulling up your shorts?
BR: yeah, in an aggressive manner.
BR: he was like, i can fucking guard this guy on the perimeter, fuck this kid
BS: guarding the wrong part of the floor is totally FD
BR: exactly
BS: hiking your shorts up, not so much so
BR: IN AN AGGRESSIVE MANNER.
BR: he was popping his shorts collar!!!
BS: oh my god.
BR: not liking what i'm seeing out of the cavs so far
BS: this is something new from the cavs?
BR: pavlovic is kind of awesome, though
BS: pavlovic is a great finisher, except for the finishing part
BR: remember when donyell marshall used to be good?
Dr. LIC: donyell marshall has never hit a big shot in his life
Dr. LIC: yet that is what his exact role is
BR: what about uconn?
BS: he had 14 three's in one game
Dr. LIC: a BIG SHOT
Dr. LIC: i'll hit 14 threes in a game
BS: if you make 14 three's, they are big shots by virtue of their participation in the greater whole
Dr. LIC: 14 threes is like a feat of strength
Dr. LIC: like tossing a midget
BS: tim duncan looks very small in a bathing suit
BR: i bought a wine because pop mentioned it in a sports illustrated side bar
BR: it was good, i've bought it since
BS: i like the cavs. they are very live-blog friendly
Dr. LIC: the cavs might fuck around and win this game
Dr. LIC: if someone gets hot
Dr. LIC: the cavs could win
BS: i think it's funny that no one even knows what a cavs win would look like
BR: 28 straight points
BS: sometimes when pavlovic makes a shot, i think it means i'll find a dollar outside or something
Dr. LIC: i have a newfound appreciation for pavlovic due to this game
BR: pavlovic has always been dope
BS: elson just popped his crotch
BR: did you know greg ginn's label put out a bill walton spoken word album?
BS: all that can save this finals is dance crazes
BS: the oberto shuffle
BS: tony's tango
BS: can you do one of those things that's like a bunch of letters that form an image?
BS: like a bunch of dashes and zeros that make a flower
BS: that seems like the best way to represent this game
BR: only boobs
BS: i don't get why he can be nicknamed "boobie"
BS: what if we found out that drew gooden's nickname was "pussymaster supreme"
BS: would they use it in the telecast?
BR: boobie doesn't only mean breast
BS: it's a bird, right?
BS: with yellow feet and a mask
BR: can we say that lebron is choking?
BS: no, he can see that gooden has the hot hand
BR: but, he hasn't done shit
BR: 1-10
BS: that was a joke
BS: about the finals mvp
posted by Bethlehem Shoals @ 6/07/2007 11:57:00 PM
33 comments
33 Comments:
"Pavlovic is a great finisher, except for the finishing" goes back to the piece I read here months ago that described guys like Gerald Wallace having a sort of ambivalence as to the value of a possession. Whenever he gets the ball, I get the sense that he is going to do something incredibly reckless.
Marshall is still a pretty good shooter. The thing is, he has never really been an horry or bowen 2-4 kind of guy. He has to shoot more to get a rhythmn going. He's on and off. Sometimes, he'll tie nba records, other times he'll just be off. He has always been like that when he was a #3 guy on a team, i guess he's just not the kind of guy who makes the adjustment to 15 minute a game role player.
Marshall was the shit in Toronto when he was getting 40mins per game at the 5. Its a shame he can't do the same in limited minutes.
The best part of any posts here? Discussing what *is* or *is not* FD. I would love to read 4000 words on JUST THAT.
That was the bumbest shit I've heard today! You really gotta stop suckin that Marshall dick. If you can't go 2-4 then I'm not giving you more shots! Look at the teams Marshall has played for in his career. Minny, GS, Utah (after the Finals visits), Chi (after Jordan), Toronto, and Cleveland. No big time teams knockin down his door in this lifetime. Look at how many bums have won rings shooting alongside Shaq and Duncan. If teams rather sign Mike Penberthy over your boy then I think everybody out there except you bums, Donyell, and Mike Brown know what's up.
Wow.. so many favorite parts in there . At first I thought that it would hafta be: "he was popping his shorts collar!!" but then "pussymaster supreme" came along and took it to a whole nother level.
Marshall's charge after he picked up the loose ball was hilarious, it was just so inevitable; as soon as I saw him headed toward the rim in slow motion there was no doubt in my mind that he was going to do something awkward and disjointed. It was like when Matt Barnes got the ball on a fast break and you just KNEW he was going to throw it out of bounds on a totally unnecessary, crazy behind the back pass to no one. on the other hand I'm mildly shocked that Pavlovic didn't make even one wild, purposeless foray into the lane, although he did nearly decapitate Parker.
did everyone else catch that kind of grimace/smile hybrid that TD had after he rejected Pavlovic's baseline drive in the 4th? Tim does have swag, it's just hella sutble and you really have to be looking for it. I also think it manifests itself much more frequently on defense.
recluse: were you serious about that Bill Walton spoken word album? that would be high on the list of greatness, not anywhere near Elton Brand producing Herzog but still pretty great...also not suprising giving the startling amount of awful, random crap SST was putting out in the late 80s.
I love it when FD live-blogs.
Wha'ts funnier, Brand producing Herzog or Brand producing Paris?
http://imdb.com/title/tt0433349/
Man's eclectic.
I caught Duncan's smirk after the rejected. The replay from the baseline cam was fantastic. Pavlovic came in from the left and jumped to try the shot, and the whole time you could see Duncan waiting in the background for the opportunity to pounce. After he blocked the shot, he went into the stands for the ball and smirked ever so slightly before realizing his error and composing himself.
It's the gin talking, but so what: Tony Parker is a good basketball player. What'd Van Gundy say, that he's like #3 in points-in-the-painted-area for this playoffs? This is significant. He may be French, and look like Gargamel, and be affianced to a Desp. Hausefrau, but he's quicksilva down there, and I'm finding his "small market" comment strangely endearing. If you have a big man like TD, alls you need is a blow-by type guard like Parker. His pass to Elson might be the only game 1 highlight...Is it time to stop hating?
Parker is sick in the lane, especially considering how much space they were giving him on the perimeter. The Cavs showed zero respect for his outside game, and rather than taking what the defense gave him, he just drives it right by them anyway. I can only guess as to what is or is not FD, but a player with a one-dimensional game who still cannot be stopped ought to be celebrated. F the rest of the spurs, though. David Robinson especially.
Parker and Ginobli travel everytime they drive to the basket.
Apparently Mike Brown's strategy is to look at his roster at the beginning of the season, pick the players for his rotation, and goddamn if he's gonna deviate from it in the slightest if shit comes up.
Pavlovic was buried forever (Sasha's ego aside, I'm sure that at least partially relates to Brown needing a whipping boy since his star player runs the show and he's just along for the ride) and Gibson emerged as the best true point on the team early in the season, got injured, got buried, then re-emerged in the Pistons series as Weapon X. After his showing in Game 1, how do you not play him more? Especially given Hughes' bum foot.
This is pure Simmons-jacking, but the Cavs best line-up is Gibson, Pavlovic, LeBron, Gooden, Varejao. Hughes is hurt, Z is gonna have too many problems trying to score against the Spurs bigs. Gibson is the best playmaker aside from James and the best shooter on the team at this point, Pavlovic is borderline psychotic but big for a guard and hustles, LeBron is a given, and Gooden and Varejao have the kind of size and hustle needed to snag boards, draw charges, and generally harass the Spurs inside.
Make adjustments. Play the game that works for you.
That said, the dude knows defense and how to make match-ups work on that end. Now he's just gotta focus on getting a line-up out there that puts points on the board.
I agree with Cyanide. It's fucking blatantly obvious that Gibson needs to be starting over Hughes. Hughes got murdered by Parker in the first 5 minutes of the game and there's no reason to have Lebron chase that lil' dude around. Get Gibson out there guarding him. Dude is quick as hell and (from what I've seen recently) a pretty tremendous defender.
And he's also money on the offensive end. His baby-face (No pedo/No homo) is kind've confounding because he looks so young and nubile (PAUSE) that I automatically think his game is gonna rhyme with his grill, but dude is refined, patient, and has insane amounts of confidence.
PLAY HIM.
And what's up with so much dang pick and roll, Mike Brown? Pick and roll works if the person you're passing to has some level of scoring ability, otherwise you're just bringing an extra defender over to make it easy for Lebron to get doubled.
STOP THE PICK AND ROLLS AND CLEAR THE FLOOR FOR LEBRON.
FREE LEBRON!
The Cavs played like complete crap while Parker, Duncan, and Ginobili had noticably good games. Bodes well for the Cavs.
I have a feeling the Cavs will steal this next one.
-e
By the way, if Pavloviv would've completed that up-and-under reverse dunk on Timmy flawlessly, that ish woulda been sick.
Yeah, i know, shoulda/woulda/coulda, but that was pretty unexpected and he was a millimeter from pulling it off.
-e
pedraig:
"In the late '80's and early 90's, Ginn started two SST-distributed sub-labels....The second, the short-lived Issues Records, concentrated on spoken-word releases, including a double album by former NBA player Bill Walton with music by Ray Manzarek."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SST_Records
Timmy's quick smirk after his Pavlovic block was a perfect illustration of why the Spurs fail to win the hearts of any outside of Bexar County:
Their swag is all done 12-year-old girl catty style, whispering and looking over shoulders in the cafeteria with retainers in napkins.
They're the annoyingly arrogant guy from tech support who mocks you while he rocks socks with sandals.
Also, I made the easy joke when the voiceover for the halftime personal interest story on Pop and TD was teased with their "very special relationship" but I wasn't expecting them to actually follow that up with frolicking images of TD playing hard-to-get on the beach while Pop whispers sweet nothings.
By the way, if Pavloviv would've completed that up-and-under reverse dunk on Timmy flawlessly, that ish woulda been sick.
Word, this is why I like Pavlovic so much.
Yeah, he gambles or slacks off on defense from time to time, but on offense he's got the mindset of a killer. When LeBron drives the lane, you can see that he's sizing it up, measuring the angles, trying to pick the spot he wants to pull-up from or where he's gonna cut to make it to the hoop. Pavlovic just goes "Y'know what? Fuck it." and barrels in and tries to get as close as possible to the iron and make something happen.
It's endearing, but also a little frustrating. Usually he comes up with a sick throw-down or a run-down block on D to make it all worthwhile to have him on the court though.
Can't play Varejao and Gooden at the same time, at least not for long stretches. Neither of them can guard the post. Varejao is a great help defender, but have you ever even once seen Gooden make a defensive play? I've never seen someone run as hard to protect the rim 5 seconds after a player is already up in the air. Wind sprints baby! Gooden wants a workout, screw the block.
Hey, I said it was the best, not perfect, haha.
I agree that Gooden or Varejao aren't going to be guys you're gonna be confident in when they have to defend Duncan or even Oberto alone on the block, but what are the other options? Marshall's not gonna cut it, and Z works as a space-eater for Varejao to work off of and point-blank shot-blocker... when he's able to actually get back on defense. And neither of those guys make-up for the loss of hustle for offensive boards on the other end. So unless Scot Pollard suddenly feels compelled to become Hakeem, I don't see many better options. =/
"talking about the cavs is like trying to write a poem about a cube"
A cube? No, Cuban.
Remember my name, bitches!
Cuban, Mark Cuban.
Watching the Spurs is like watching the killing chair in a Penal Colony: entertaining in a grisly sort of way.
Dude, I almost spit up my OJ this morning reading that Tony Parker=Gargamel reference. Top notch shit. He probably has a cat named Azriel too, right...
I realize everyone has been complaining about this, but why does LeBron take so long to make his move? He periodically kills five seconds off the shot clock just surveying the defense and consequently allowing everyone to get set.
Is this a flaw in his game, or is he just trying to keep the fight fair, Inigo Montoya-style?
I don't know, the Cavs are such bricklayers that I like Ilgauskas being in there even if he is slow as a Tony Allen trial. I'd play Boobie/Pavlovic/Bron/Varejao/Ilgauskas over the Gooden lineup. Z can at least bother Duncan with size and grab some offensive boards, and Varejao can pester him with activity and still guard the pick and roll on a switch.
Mike Penberthy was mad FreeDarko. No question.
Boobie really isn't that good on defense. Yes, he's quick which seems like he'd be able to guard parker/ginobli, but he didn't even do a good job on Rip. It's not iso stuff or anything, it's mainly pick and rolls where gibson still struggles(as do most all nba players).
I love sasha, he's a good player and will be good for the cavs as he continues to grow. He has shown improvement all year and is a very good defender and more athletic than people give him credit for.
It's not like it's a sin for Marshall not to be a great role player since he was a good 30 minute a night guy. Not all players are able to be the 10-15 minute a game efficient guys like horry. That's where a good GM has to come in and build the team with a star, complimenting good players, and good role players. The spurs, pistons(all complimenting role players with no superstar), heat and lakers all did this. Mitch Richmond worked out alright as a low minute role player for the lakers, but obviously malone and payton just were ok, but not that great at the low shot, 3rd-4th option stuff.
ummmmmmmm, actually malone was about the only dependable laker in those playoffs until injury. he did all the dirty work, guarding whoever needed guarding, grabbing boards, etc.
Their swag is all done 12-year-old girl catty style, whispering and looking over shoulders in the cafeteria with retainers in napkins.
Perfection.
I wasn't able to watch more than a few minutes of the game last night, and walked away with a single overriding impression:
Marc Jackson makes me want to kill my TV. And it's a nice TV.
Do I really have to put up with him for another 3-6 games?
He may have just killed the finals, and I'm not sure that even Game5LeBron^infinity can resuscitate them.
wv: synhozdj (that one's available for the whole of FD to interpret)
co-sign anon 2:31...Malone was the most valuable player of that team. They were something like 34-8 with him during the regular season and were 12-5 in the playoffs with Malone going into the finals before he partially tore his MCL in game two of the Finals. He tried to play through it, but didn't manage to play more than 15 minutes in any of the remaining games of the series and completely missed the fifth and deciding game of the series. "We missed (Malone) tonight, a lot, and we missed him through this series," said Lakers coach Phil Jackson.
The Lakers were a completely different team with Malone than they were without him. I mean, he guarded both Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett (The MVP that season) and totally took them out of their games. Without a healthy Malone, Rasheed was able to march all over the Lakers and Slava Medvedenko. Even with Malone, it still would have been a tight series, but I'm pretty sure the Pistons still would have lost. I mean, think of it this way: If the Lakers get one game in Detroit, the go home to Staples center for game 6 and possibly game 7. With a healthy Malone, it's a completely different story for them. Let's put it this way, if not for Malone's knee fuck up, Shaq would probably still be a Lakers, because there is no way they trade him after they just won their fourth title in five years...
recluse: thank you. the fact that the backing music is by Ray fucking Manzarek elevates it to a kind of perfection of horror. I'm envisioning William Shatner "singing" 'lucy in the sky with diamonds' but approximately 4,000,000 times worse (and by worse I do mean better). as with everything else that's even tangnetially related to Black Flag's decline I'll just blame Henry Rollins.
You just made me imagine a combo Walton/Rollins spoken word record with Ray Manzarek backing music. My head exploded.
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