Allegory Gets Us Hot: Times New Viking Talks Hoops, Ohio

When the Cavs made their big trade last week, we knew there was only one man to turn to for analysis: Adam Elliot, former varsity basketball player and drummer/vocalist of Ohio lo-fi/noise-pop/shitgaze heroes Times New Viking. Even if most of the interview took place before the trade ever happened and he was in Canada at the time.

FreeDarko: You mentioned [in an email] that Lebron is "the savior of pro sports/America." Is your love for Lebron based more in Ohio pride or just a general admiration for his basketball abilities?

Times New Viking: First, it is great to have a living legend play for your pro team. Lebron is a savior for Ohio in many ways. He is young, he is forward thinking, and he can take over shit. Did you see the Eastern Conference finals last year? Un-fucking-believable.

FD: How do you feel about Lebron's eagerness to turn himself into a multinational corporation?

TNV: Why not? Our band just turned down some contract because it didn't make sense for us. But why wouldn't what Lebron agrees to make sense for a young basketball megastar?

FD: Are you worried that Lebron's going to leave Ohio for New York?

TNV: Fuck no. Cleveland will get that point guard in the next couple of years.

FD: What do you think about the big trade? Is Delonte West that point guard? Do Ben Wallace and Big Z make sense as a frontcourt?

TNV: We are currently in Montreal so all it is is hockey. Been trying to figure out the exact trade in French. But fucking Ben Wallace is the shit. One of my all time faves for the NBA. The Cavs are a force.

FD: Would Times New Viking ever consider leaving Ohio for New York?

TNV: Fuck no.

FD: Are you guys into Ohio State hoops at all? Were you excited by the Greg Oden Era, or was it too fleeting to really make an impact?

TNV: I am an Indiana Hoosier fan at heart. But Oden and Conley were something to watch. Conley/Oden are also the future of the sport. Conley simply does not make mistakes, and Oden is effective in so many ways.

FD: Are you sports fans in general, or just basketball? If the latter, what is the reason for basketball's unique appeal?

TNV: I love sports. I love paying attention. For me though, basketball is first, baseball second. I grew up on Hoosiers/Reds. I always wanted to be a basketball coach that got to play in a Creedence cover band on the side when I was in middle school. As far as basketball, Tark, Coach K, Bobby Knight, they all made me feel a sense of tradition that has been lost on most of my generation.

FD: Do you run across many other people in bands who are into basketball? Any surprises?

TNV: Sometimes. I know Hart from The Hunches almost cried when I knew about the mid 90's Blue Devils.

FD: That's the second time you've mentioned Duke or Coach K. You're not a Duke fan, are you?

TNV: Fuck Duke. Hate them. I am a Hoosier/Bobby Knight fan growing up. Or University of Dayton. Western Kentucky. Any of these over Duke. Even Vanderbilt.

FD: What is your take on the NME "shitgaze" article? Do you feel an affinity with the other bands mentioned? Are you afraid the notorious British music press is going to hype you up like the Strokes or whoever?

TNV: All of those bands are our best friends and friends of friends. If they hype us, so what? We will show up just like Lebron did in the Finals. If we lose four in a row, at least we got there.

FD: In the early 90's, people were always talking about how "post-modern" Pavement was and how they were "deconstructing" pop music by ripping off The Fall or Buddy Holly. By referencing Pavement, the Clean, and the Fall on your MySpace and naming your newest album "Rip It Off," you're opening yourselves up to the same kind of criticism. Are you just playing with these ideas, or is there more serious commentary behind it?

TNV: Not so serious. We take plagiarism serious. We take postmodernism serious, but we don't take ourselves serious. Comments are simply that, not statements.

FD: Have you ever talked sports with Gerard Cosloy? Do you read his blog?

TNV: I have talked baseball with him, and sports. But he is a Mets fan. No comment.

FD: Do you know if the guys in the Clean are Sean Marks fans?

TNV: Not sure, I know they dig sport.

FD: I read on Wikipedia that during a Lollapalooza, Guided by Voices beat the Beastie Boys and Billy Corgan in basketball. Have you ever seen Bob Pollard play? Do you think Times New Viking could take GBV in their prime in 3-on-3?

TNV: I suppose. If we could get Ron House from the Slave Apts., definitely. Jared and I are both lefties and play a mean 2 on 2 match. Pollard's brother played my father. That is pretty fucking old school.

FD: Bethelem Shoals, FreeDarko's most prolific writer, once wrote that the guys who write for our site were "born under the dueling style signs of hip-hop and indie rock." Are any of you into hip-hop at all? I'm specifically wondering about the Scribble Jam scene, which seems to have attracted a large number of arty Midwesterners.

TNV: Luckily I work hip hop night in Columbus. Good fucking deejays. We are into hip hop being observational, fucking real life. But in many ways, I don't get underground hip hop so much. Talking shit about people not being positive isn't exactly positive either, but in Columbus this doesn't happen. Hip hop kids/punk rock kids all get together and deal with how boring our town is. No pretension.

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At 2/25/2008 11:19 PM, Blogger Patrick said...

unexpected and awesome: good to know other weirdpunks read this site. I often wear my FD shirt when my band plays in hopes that someone will come out of the woodwork as a disciple.

At 2/26/2008 11:41 AM, Blogger Leonardson Saratoga said...

last night, being that it was my birthday, I decided to treat myself to some NBA Live. I started a new dynasty with the Warriors, and since I can't help but play GM i swung some deals. I ended up with a starting 5 of BARON&MONTA&JOEJOHNSON&JAX&ANDRIS, with motherfucking Gerald Green playing the 4 off the bench. Then i got this incredible brain child: BARON&MONTA&JOEJOHN(lets pretend its 03-04 Johnson)&BIRTHDAYCAKE&JAX

best damn birthday i've ever had

At 2/26/2008 11:43 AM, Blogger Leonardson Saratoga said...

oh and also, indie rock and hip-hop will never be at odds, simply because of basketball. awesome.

At 2/26/2008 11:50 AM, Blogger Kaifa said...

Kind of off-topic, but here's how Hollinger deals with hip hop:


At 2/26/2008 2:31 PM, Blogger MaxwellDemon said...

Leonardson--for your birthday, did you put the cake way up high and jump to blow out the candle? Preferably, in your socks?

The intersection of hip hop, indie rock and basketball is the Beastie Boys, right? I have a lot of questions today.

At 2/26/2008 2:52 PM, Blogger Leonardson Saratoga said...

I wanted to, but felt it was just not right without McCants muggin next to me

No way, i'm no Beasties hater but I can't think that was the intersection. To me what is sweet about the intersection is that they don't feel the need to really dabble in each others shit musically (remember Jay-Z's "Collision Course"?? motherfucking awful man). I think I can just settle for rappers name checkin' indie-kids and vice-versa. Ok well I'd like to see a picture of Win Butler postin' up Weezy.

At 2/26/2008 4:30 PM, Blogger MaxwellDemon said...

I was being fairly literal about the Beasties. They started as an indie rock group, then moved into hip hop, but they've picked up their instruments again from time to time. Also, they did a Rolling Stone cover playing basketball.

The indie rock song of the decade is by Outkast, so there's that too. Not sure if they are hoops fans--any Andre 3000 sightings at a Hawks game?

At 2/26/2008 4:34 PM, Blogger Brown Recluse, Esq. said...

When the Beastie Boys started out, there wasn't really anything called "indie rock." They were a hardcore band.

I don't know if there's any point in trying to locate the intersection of hip-hop, indie rock, and basketball. Except for pompously making the claim that FreeDarko is that intersection. That might be worthwhile ;-)

At 2/26/2008 5:30 PM, Blogger Leonardson Saratoga said...

fair enough, I'll submit that I don't know much about the Beasties history. I guess in retrospect it is a little narrow-minded to see the intersection only as a mash-up/sample, considering the shitloads of other stuff that go into it.

And yes, Recluse, I think it would be fair to say that the crossroads of hip-hop, basketball, and indie rock is where FreeDarko sold its sole to the devil in exchange for its writing ability.

At 2/26/2008 5:43 PM, Blogger Brown Recluse, Esq. said...

Did FreeDarko sell the soles on eBay? You can get a lot of money for rare kicks these days.

At 2/26/2008 5:53 PM, Blogger Mr. Six said...

Other than here, that intersection is probably in an alternate universe where the Judgment Night soundtrack was actually The Basketball Diaries soundtrack and a good album.

(Although I must confess that I enjoy Del/Dino Jr., Mix-a-Lot/Mudhoney, and Onyx/Biohazard.)

wv: abxtk--abstract xound tracks

At 2/26/2008 6:38 PM, Blogger MaxwellDemon said...

I use terms with some fluidity--I consider any rock "indie" if the band doesn't travel in a full-sized bus.

This site is the intersection of IR + HH + BB + Judaism, but that also describes the Beastie Boys. Plus, Darko is almost an anagram for Ad-Rock. Oh, my head.

At 2/26/2008 6:40 PM, Blogger MaxwellDemon said...

PS--4 streets completes the "crossroads" saratoga envisions.

At 2/26/2008 6:59 PM, Blogger Leonardson Saratoga said...

soul. an honest mistake. or an awful basketball-related pun? i'll let you decide.

i was envisioning a T-intersection, maybe an homage to my suburban youth.

At 2/26/2008 7:28 PM, Blogger MaxwellDemon said...

LS--Maybe that makes more sense. It's kind of stark having to choose between only two paths in front of you.

Although if Robert Johnson was from the suburbs he might have met the devil at a cul de sac. That rhymes with a bunch of stuff.

At 2/26/2008 11:07 PM, Blogger Seth said...

leonardson S: I was thinking about the warriors the other day, and i realized that they could have a lineup of something like BD, monta, s jax, j rich, biedrins, and, oh yeah, AGENT ZERO (at first i was thinking bring monta off the bench.. but nacho as 6th man!!) ...i forget how they lost arenas but that could possibly be the most hilarious and entertaining lineup in nba history AND the future.
MTV could make real world: golden state warriors in the locker room. they might not win many games with such a lack of size, but they would be uber-FD.

At 2/26/2008 11:37 PM, Blogger Louie Bones said...

How 'bout that. Diaw and Warrick live yet.

At 2/27/2008 1:48 AM, Blogger personalmathgenius said...

Comment on the non-commenting re: Yao's season ending.

(a brief metacommentary on how a player can have such a broad effect on the Lig and yet have almost nil
radar cross section for FD purposes)

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