5.06.2008

And a Child Shall Lead Us

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At 5/06/2008 10:34 AM, Blogger berts said...

I would have been so much happier if my first impression ended up being correct--that the horse-backed man in the background was the Bronze Horseman and the foggy town pulsing with revolutionary fervor was St. Petersburg...some real Pushkin shit.

 
At 5/06/2008 11:14 AM, Blogger Leonardson Saratoga said...

every revolutionary needs a true radical

http://www.ejkiewicz.com/walls/Julian_set01b.jpg

 
At 5/06/2008 1:09 PM, Blogger stopmikelupica said...

I hate hype and overhype as much as the next man, but... there hasn't been nearly enough hype yet for the Kobe vs. CP3 battle that will take place in two weeks. We're talking generational conflict here. The greatest player of his generation (and maybe the second greatest SG ever) vs. the a lock for the greatest point of all time (injury disaster withstanding). With LeBron possibly waiting in the wings. Can you dig it?

 
At 5/06/2008 1:17 PM, Blogger Will said...

N.O. We Can!

N.O. We Can!

 
At 5/06/2008 1:58 PM, Blogger Tony said...

More needed recognition. Top 3 player in the Lig already and a full half foot shorter than L-Train and Mamba. Only 1 player in the Lig who wins a 1 on 1 matchup with him at the point cuz of said point's frame and Matt Barnes haircut. Oh and the number don't lie. They scream and shout but still few take notice cuz Mamba is the hot item on this year's MVP platter. Until NO beats San Antone and gives the Lakes a run for their money.

Oh, and the numbers:

7 playoff games
75 assists
9 (!) turnovers

Unbaweebabol

 
At 5/06/2008 2:23 PM, Blogger Brown Recluse, Esq. said...

Whoa. CP3's been amazing in the playoffs, but when did he become "a lock for the greatest point of all time"? I think with a few more years like this one, he's Top 5 easily, but a lock for GOAT seems a little premature.

 
At 5/06/2008 3:08 PM, Blogger berts said...

Come to think of it, could New Orleans be a kind of pre-revolutionary Mother Russia? The Katrina-ravaged city is 1917-era Russiaesque -- that is, the mid-war squalor, a fiddler/vaguely mystic fanatic behind the throne (Ray Nagin = Rasputin??).

So is CP3 Lenin or Trotsky?

 
At 5/06/2008 3:08 PM, Blogger Joe said...

"I hate hype and overhype as much as the next man, but... there hasn't been nearly enough hype yet for the Kobe vs. CP3 battle that will take place in two weeks."

Hah. This could be due to the fact that less than 24 hours ago most folks were not anticipating said matchup taking place...

Slow. Down.

 
At 5/06/2008 3:08 PM, Blogger Ethan said...

Well, if you look at the analysis that Ziller did over at the Fanhouse, CP3 is clearly the best ever at his position statistically by age 22. Given how great his team has played despite what most have considered a somewhat weak supporting cast (compared to the other contenders), I think it's safe to say that it isn't just statistics that he has going for him. So really, he wouldn't even have to improve on this year's performance, just duplicate it, for the next five years and he'd already have five years better than any of his rivals.

Nothing is a lock in sports, but CP3 seems as close to a sure thing to as anybody not named LeBron. Yeah, we probably should wait a couple years before having GOAT conversations, but CP3 justifies all of the hype.

 
At 5/06/2008 3:48 PM, Blogger Drew said...

Obama of the Bayou, indeed. I bet any "experienced" team out there right now would trade their playoff experience for CP3 in a heartbeat.

 
At 5/06/2008 5:14 PM, Blogger Sweat of Ewing said...

One thing I wonder about with Chris Paul is how much better he can legitimately get. He's limited as a rebounder by his size, and he's about as good a passer and dribbler as seems historically possible - do you see him turning the ball over less than he already does, or racking up more assists? His jumpshot is the only legitimate criticism, so if he's going to get better, it's going to be in the scoring realm.

 
At 5/06/2008 8:22 PM, Blogger lova said...

@Saratoga,

It may have been posed by someone before but Julian Wright is FD, no ?
He is the closet thing to the J-Rich of last year.

 
At 5/07/2008 12:17 AM, Blogger stopmikelupica said...

I didn't say the GOAT; I said the greatest point of all time. Which, as Ethan pointed out, all he has to do is keep doing what he's doing - no need for improvement, either. He's already mentioned in the same breath as Isiah. Really astonishing - no one has ever had as many assists as Paul, as many steals, and turned the ball as little as he has this past year. He's about 100 turnovers ahead of most of the comparable seasons by points (Nash's best, Isiah's best, Magic's best, Stockton's best).

They didn't have turnovers in Oscar's day, so who knows how Paul compares to Robertson. But Paul's season is so good, should he repeated it for a few more seasons (again, health is the only thing that might derail him), he's toe-to-toe with Isiah and Oscar for the title.

 
At 5/07/2008 12:24 AM, Blogger Johnny Utah said...

sick pic, but wayyyy early, as everything is these days

 
At 5/07/2008 1:25 AM, Blogger Prasheel said...

CP3's legacy (and GOAT status) will be defined by the number of rings on his fingers when he retires - not the number of 20 pt 10 assist seasons he put up. (essentially why Nash will never be considered in this argument because he probably will never win a ring) And this year they have a legit chance of getting ring number 1.

 
At 5/07/2008 7:10 AM, Blogger Melvin said...

I just feel that cp3 should've won the trophy but enought of that senseles debate, kobe is the MVP... and Paul get mvp awards too in the future..

http://basketballnonsense.blogspot.com/

 
At 5/07/2008 10:21 AM, Blogger T. said...

I don't think its all that clear cut that CP3 deserves consideration as part of the top pantheon of point guards (I think right now the list is Magic, Zeke, Oscar, Tiny Archibald and Stockton) - he's knocking on the door for sure, but, all he's had is one singular sensational season, and two very very good seasons.

Just remember that in his first season, Magic took home the Finals MVP and also poured in a 42 point, 15 rebound 7 assist game in an NBA Finals close-out game WITHOUT a multiple MVP top 3 center of all time. . . at age 20.

Chris Paul is the goods, but let's not go crazy . . .yet. (If he gets the Hornets to the Finals and dominants, then we can have this conversation)

 
At 5/07/2008 10:30 AM, Blogger Brown Recluse, Esq. said...

I didn't say the GOAT; I said the greatest point of all time.

That's what I mean by my GOAT shorthand. Greatest (Point) Of All Time. G(P)OAT looks dumb.

 
At 5/07/2008 10:40 AM, Blogger S.F. said...

When we say greatest point guard of all time, we are including Magic in this, right? Or are we going with the Simmonsesque greatest "pure point guard" which allows him to not include Magic. Magic was a point guard. And Paul's got well...a ways to go. Magic was a better passer, rebounder, and as for scoring, it's close but I give Magic the edge because of the post-up ability. At Pauul's age, Magic was winning his second Finals MVP, and was still five years from hitting his prime.

 
At 5/07/2008 11:03 AM, Blogger Walter said...

For his size, Paul is an excellent rebounder. Averaged 5 per his rookie year. Still got 4 this year which is better than every pg except JKidd.

 
At 5/07/2008 11:25 AM, Blogger ethan said...

S.F.,

Magic is absolutely in the discussion. I disagree that Magic was a better passer (at age 22) though. Paul had more assists and fewer turnovers this season than Magic at the same age despite the Hornets having much fewer possessions per game than the showtime Lakers. You are right that scoring is close, but keep in mind that Magic had more weapons on his team and was asked to score less. I'm pretty sure Paul is a better shooter than Magic ever was (and should only get better).

As far as rings being the sole determinate of legacy, well I guess Melvin Ely is better than Barkley.

 
At 5/07/2008 12:07 PM, Blogger S.F. said...

I don't buy the more rings equals better player argument either (there could be an infinite amount of examples: Kurt Rambis is better than Bird because he has four rings, etc.). But if Melvin Ely had two Finals MVPs (and eventually 3), then, yes, he might be better than Barkley. Certainly Paul has many years to match that.

Paul's a better shooter off the dribble, but by the end of his career, Magic's little set shot from outside was pretty effective. His best 3-point percentage was .384; Paul was .369 this year, but will likely get better with experience as well.

Paul is a good rebounder, for his size, but...size does matter. Magic could do everything Paul does--as far as controlling the game, setting up teammates, driving, going coast-to-coast--but could also bang inside, be a go-to post-up threat, etc. Being able to play 5 positions, that versatility, in addition to being the ideal point guard, is what made Magic one of the top 5 players of all-time. I'm just not ready to put Paul in that slot after three years and six playoff victories.

Time to go watch the 1985 Finals DVD (yes, I am admittedly biased).

 
At 5/07/2008 10:11 PM, Blogger Ed said...

How much do you guys think that the hand-checking rules benefit Paul? Don't they kind of distort the numbers in his argument for G(P)OAT?

 
At 5/09/2008 9:26 AM, Blogger Shariq said...

Good point Ed. Someone needs to do an analysis of stats/PER compared to other point guards in that era.

Having said that, does anyone else see the similarities b/w Chris Paul and Obama??

 
At 5/09/2008 10:29 AM, Blogger Bethlehem Shoals said...

http://freedarko.blogspot.com/2008/04/satan-is-real.html

 

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