11.13.2009

Moving Pictures

Old-radio

Consider it a podcast round-up. First, Joey Litman joins Dan to talk about the NBA, which for them means wailing about the Knicks and clinging to each other like it's 2012, not 2010. Good stuff.



Then, a recap of the only partly-staged feud between DoC and Dan Levy, step-by-step:

1. Dan and Dan discuss the way Bill Simmons is framing the NBA (vs. baseball) in his book promotion, among other things.

2. Ken, who was not on the recording, writes a post in defense of Simmons. I don't think anyone involved has read the book, for what it's worth.

3. On his own 'cast, Dan comments on Ken's commenting on his appearance after the fact, and extends his Simmons remarks.

4. I realize that I have opinions and corporate interests wrapped up in all this, so appear on Dan's next show for a brief segment. Along with Drew Magary unpacking a far more corrosive scandal. Separately.

Stay tuned as this all ends up on Deadspin.

Also, still no BBOBB for me, but Charlie Pierce's slaughter of Simmons was really good writing. Alas, it had nothing to do with Chris Bell, but anyone thinking I'm narcissistic, his "I Am the Cosmos" is the correct reference point.

Music from the latest show:

"Losing Out" - Black Milk
"White Elephant" - Volcano Suns
"You in Color" - The Black Angels
"The Color of Tempo" - Prefuse 73
"House of Flying Daggers" - Raekwon

Shut up and enjoy your weekend.

P.S. Contest closed, winner decided, he will speak once we work out some security clearance issues.

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10 Comments:

At 11/13/2009 11:06 AM, Blogger Joey said...

As is often the case with favorite writing, the Pierce column spoke for me.

 
At 11/13/2009 11:58 AM, Blogger Anthony Wilson said...

Simmons' book is almost perfect. Aside from a few technical/factual inaccuracies (for example, Steve Kerr didn't start for the Bulls; he messed up some ages about young 2-guards for a point he was trying to make; fudged some stats about the 2000/2001 Lakers) the book accomplishes it's goal: a person who didn't know anything about basketball could pick up that pick and by the time thy finished it would be a knowledgeable basketball person. He covers everything.

Other than those very few technical errors (I didn't read the thing in order so I may not have caught everything), the only thing I really had a problem was that a lot of text came from stuff we had already seen in his columns. Of course, I'm the type of person who will notice something like that, I suppose not everybody will, even the most die-hard Simmons fan.

My Final Grade for TBOB: A (9.5/10)

 
At 11/13/2009 12:07 PM, Blogger BigSaxmo said...

Many of Pierce's criticisms of Simmons are on point, but I get the sense that he's the type of guy who really thinks Oscar Robertson would average a triple double in today's NBA while Wilt blocked 12 shots a game.

I also think the way Pierce laughs off Bill's encounter with Isiah with his, "REAL sportswriters have to deal with this all the time!" thing totally misses the point-

A) very few, "real" sportswriters will take the shots that Simmons does with regularity precisely because they know they need to be able to get boilerplate, meaningless quotes from their targets to fill inches the next day.

B) Simmons represents the casual fan, for whom such an encounter would definitely be a big deal.

The middle section of the book (where Simmons painstakingly goes through his top 96 or whatever) is fucking painful, and I think Simmons knows this and tries to use the footnotes as a crutch instead of actually going through the trouble of producing compelling writing and his taste in pop culture doesn't live up to Charlie's thrilling Wages of Fear reference, but Charlie writes for fucking Deadspin, a website whose audience I highly doubt is rife with Clouzot fans, and I see him on TV all the time here in Boston with Bob Ryan and his eyebrows, so... uh, I don't know where this is going. It is 11:40 AM and I am already half-drunk.

Has Simmons been saying anything about baseball anywhere else other than his 5-minute Colbert apperance?

 
At 11/13/2009 1:02 PM, Blogger Francisco said...

I have to say, I've been a big fan of the podcasts so far, but the podcast about the Simmons book was the biggest "woe is me", "I'm a real expert on basketball, not him" that I've heard. I'm not even a Simmons fan and I had to stop listening to the two of you try and make each other feel good.

 
At 11/13/2009 1:08 PM, Blogger Bethlehem Shoals said...

Which one? There were five of them!!!!!

 
At 11/13/2009 4:16 PM, Blogger Fat Contradiction said...

Volcano Suns, nice. Love that song.

 
At 11/13/2009 5:23 PM, Blogger Bethlehem Shoals said...

Can someone tell me how they feel about the part where I talk? I wonder where exactly football-baseball-basketball stand relative to each other as:

1) mass-public events
2) events in markets that like that sport
3) "their team" specific

 
At 11/13/2009 8:08 PM, Blogger medrawt said...

I haven't listened to these podcasts yet, but based on the things various individuals, including the participants, have said about them, I'm prepared to talk about them at great length!

 
At 11/14/2009 11:25 AM, Blogger Mercurialblonde said...

I've not read Bill Simmons book, and don't have a huge inclination to. But I did read Charlie Pierce's review of said book, and thought the review was a steaming pile. He just sounded bitter and gross. And now I have even less interest in reading anything he's written than I do Simmons' stuff. It just was not written well. At least Simmons is funny. He's not revelatory, sure. But he's funny and not annoying for the most part. Which is how low my bar is for most internet sports writing.

No offense Shoals, but when you're on your game, you're better than all of these jokers. The way you write about basketball is a special thing.

 
At 11/16/2009 10:52 AM, Blogger Tom Deal said...

BRANDON FUCKING JENNINGS.

If he doesn't win rookie of the year, it will have been pure theft. If he isn't the best player from the 09 draft, it'll be mere coincidence. Seriously. The Milwaukee Bucks are playoff good? This is the work of Jennings. Probably will still self destruct due to injuries or something, but let's face it. Jennings is Chris Paul level talent, if not better. CP3 didn't drop 55 on nobody in the first month of NBA games he played in. Jennings is already averaging 11 pts more per 36 than Chris did in November of his rookie yr.

And watching him... chills. He even makes me want to root for Skiles and Bogut, no small task in my opinion. We getting a Jennings 55 pt post anytime soon? I'd love to hear your thoughts

 

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